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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
It is verifiable, unicus, per the Rules. I didn't ignore you, i disagree with your interpretation.
Skip I know that you disagree with me. The question is, how can you? I have shown you how your logic is flawed. The rules give an example that shoots an elaphant sized hole in your interpretation. That is a fact you cannot deny. The US Copyright Office says, '"John Carpenter’s The Thing". The Rules say, "The Thing". How do you resolve that paradox? What logic allows you to say, "it is verifiable per the rules," when the rules give an example that says it is not?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I told you the way Ken constructed the entire Rule, leaves room for verifiable from the DEFINITIVE source, which is the US copyrighted title. I understand your logic and i think it is incorrect, but that just my opinion.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I told you the way Ken constructed the entire Rule, leaves room for verifiable from the DEFINITIVE source, which is the US copyrighted title. I understand your logic and i think it is incorrect, but that just my opinion.
Skip In other words, you can't resolve the paradox and you are simply going to ignore the facts.  Btw, the DEFINITIVE source for all data entered into Profiler is the DVD itself...so say the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
What is not to understand, Achim? Are we after accuracy or not. It can be repeatedly proven that the Credit Block is not ALWAYS correct in application. This new Rule is being used to simply dispose of the possessive that was previously allowed regardless of whether that is correct or not.<shrugs>
Skip When I've tried to bring in outside definitions of what a possessive is, you've told me that Ken's definition is different and "we don't go by anyone else's definition". It's the same with the title situation. Ken has defined how to use the DVD cover to determine the title for DVD Profiler purposes. It's easy to do. All the data is in the hands of anyone who owns the DVD. Is it accurate all of the time? No, it isn't. I don't like the font rule and I won't change a title based on fonts. But I will change a title based on the credit block as he has directed in the rules. That I can do. The rule says that in the absence of quotes to verify, look at the fonts. That means that the quotes are the first place to look. The fonts are the second. There is no other source for DVD Profiler purposes. You have to read everything and don't cherry pick the word "verifiably". | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I have said Jame, i am not the one who brought the copyright Ofice into this fray anyway. If you guys want to live by the sword, then die by it. I am don't like the way you guys play the game, and all the crap that you throw out to muddy things, but i more than willing to play it. You want it complicated...FINE. so be it.
And this is exactly why I say you don't understand, because you don't like it when I play by your rules.
@James
Let's remember James, you eithe spun your way out or did not understand DO NOT.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As I have said Jame, i am not the one who brought the copyright Ofice into this fray anyway. If you guys want to live by the sword, then die by it. I am don't like the way you guys play the game, and all the crap that you throw out to muddy things, but i more than willing to play it. You want it complicated...FINE. so be it.
And this is exactly why I say you don't understand, because you don't like it when I play by your rules.
Skip Ah, but there is the rub. We are playing by the rules Ken gave us. You are playing by some imaginary set of rules. Spin it any way you like, but the facts are the facts and you can't argue with them. If you could, you would have done so by now. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I used the film credits when the rule was to use the film credits. I used other things to help with possessives when there was no directive in the rules for possessives.
Now I use the cover since Ken changed the rule. And I use the cover as Ken directs in order to determine possessives.
I'm following the rules, both then and now.
You are quite outside the rules. You are voting against "The Thing" when the rules specifically detail the title for that film. The fact that you are doing so is just mind boggling to me. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
... It can be repeatedly proven that the Credit Block is not ALWAYS correct in application....
Prove it. 'Billing' or'Credit block' info is not just put together willy-nilly by some marketing schlump who doesn't know what he's doing. They are very tightly controlled by the studios and the various guilds and unions whose members are credited in them. The very placement of an actors name in the block is spelled out in his or her contract with the studio before the picture is made, as is how the director's name is credited as well. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am playing by your Rules guys, Live with it. I am fed up with watching you people interpret the REules to suit yourselves. and the act like YOUR interpretation is the ONLY interpretation there could possibly be James you have been doing this for a very long time, DO NOT was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
I have simply decided to play the game YOUR way, so like I said LIVE BY THE SWORD, now DIE BY IT.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cmae:
You don';t have to look very far. Nearly everyone of John Carpenter's films include the possessive in the COPYRIGHTED title, but the not according to the credit block. man that was hard, give me something more difficult next time.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I am playing by your Rules guys, Live with it. I am fed up with watching you people interpret the REules to suit yourselves. and the act like YOUR interpretation is the ONLY interpretation there could possibly be James you have been doing this for a very long time, DO NOT was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
I have simply decided to play the game YOUR way, so like I said LIVE BY THE SWORD, now DIE BY IT. You are not playing by anyone's rules but your own. I have never seen anyone vote against a specific example from the rules. Not until you and widescreenforever. It's never happened before that I can recall. So you aren't playing by my rules or anyone else's that I've ever seen. You are on your own path to self-destruction for all I can tell. I'd love to pull you back into the herd, but I think you are headed for the cliff on your own power.   | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Silly question, but has a single title change that Skip has disagreed on since the rule change gone his way? I mean why are you guys even bothering? Let him vote no and be the lone voice in the wilderness. It's not going to change whether the profile gets approved or not and if by some miracle it does, a simple PM to the screeners gets it fixed. I really can't imagine why you guys are investing any energy into this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You have been playing by your rules for a LOOOOONG time, James. How many time have you and argued over YOUR interpretation of the Rules. I am simply doing what you have always done, that is my interpretation of the rules and just like YOU there is no room for any other. I am tired of watching you twist and spin the Rules to suit your whims. YTou went off the cliff a long time agoi, my friend. as i said this is not a game I want to play, but your attitude and that of others have forced it. I could throw all kinds of things at you, James but its a waste of time and energy. In your mind ther is and always has been ONE single answer, and it is yours, I continue to lead by example, my Contributions always have been and will Continue to be among the highest caliber and best documented there are. Sorry guys, I didn't ask for this YOU have pushed me to it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Cmae:
You don';t have to look very far. Nearly everyone of John Carpenter's films include the possessive in the COPYRIGHTED title, but the not according to the credit block. man that was hard, give me something more difficult next time.
Skip So the studios have been putting out incorrect credits blocks for years now even though they have their legal dept check for any info that is contractually wrong? WOW, you better let them know that you know better than they do how to correctly bill their films. The studios know what they are doing, more than you. They know what the title of the movie is, and they know how to denote a possessive and what it means legally on a movie title. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Silly question, but has a single title change that Skip has disagreed on since the rule change gone his way? I mean why are you guys even bothering? Let him vote no and be the lone voice in the wilderness. It's not going to change whether the profile gets approved or not and if by some miracle it does, a simple PM to the screeners gets it fixed. I really can't imagine why you guys are investing any energy into this. AMEN Stop feeding the troll | | |  |
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