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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote:
I would say that "As Credited" would overrule that but since we don't have a "Screenplay By" option, using either strays from "As Credited" so may as well go with the one that signifies this is an original work. Please tell me how you can make the statement, based solely on an on screen credit of "Screenplay By", that this is an "original screenplay"? The fact that no "original material by" (based on X, story by y) credit exists in the film, does not necessarily mean that the screenplay is "original". If the credit said "Original Screenplay By", then, perhaps you could make an argument. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Please tell me how you can make the statement, based solely on an on screen credit of "Screenplay By", that this is an "original screenplay"? I have no problem admitting there's no way to tell based solely on the screen credit whether it's original or not. What does help in determining that though is that it is the only writing credit during the credits. If the story had been based on some other work, wouldn't that credit be present in the credits? So, based on the absence of a credit that hints or implies that the movie is an adaptation of some other work, I think you can safely go with it being original. Everyone keeps saying "But how do you know...", which is exactly he point. If something was in there that definitely hinted to this being an adaptation then I see your point.. but there isn't. So you have to go with what you do know, and that is that everything points to this being an original story. But with that said, I can see the later points raised by Behemot and others basically saying ignore the "Notes" portion of the Credits section of the roles and go with the "Credited As" examples. I also see the argument that says ignore the "Credited As" section and go with the "Notes" section instead. After all, the "Notes" section implies the intent of the rule and individual credits. One is for Original screenplays the other is for Adapted screenplays. Sure rules can sometimes contradict each other, but as long as you stick to the intent of the rule you should be okay. Honestly, I really could care less how this guy ends up getting credited. I'll leave him as "Writer" in my local DB because I know this was an original script. If we ever get multiple writing credits and "Screenplay By" gets added then I'll change his credit over without hesitation. But currently (IMHO) the intent of the credit rule it to keep Original scriptwriter and Adapted Scriptwriter separate so that's how I'll call it. I completely see the other side of the arguement which is why I'm just voting neutral on this topic as it's not really worth fighting over. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken really ought to remove the Notes for writer and screenwriter, though, because they're the source of endless confusion and contradict the Credited As column in some cases. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | They are not a source of confusion for me, gard, now if people will listen instead of arguing it won't be for them either. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
"Writer" should never be used for an on screen credit of "Screenplay by", so the voter is incorrect.
"Writer" is only to be used for an on-screen credit of "Writer" or "Written By".
An on screen credit of "Screenpaly By" is always a DVDP credit of "Screenwriter".
And I agree with Pete. Changing wrong data to correct data is never insignificant. When it's in the rules, I'll vote that way. As of now, the rules state:  I vote according to the rules. Period. Le Notti del Terrore ("Buriel Ground") is an original screenplay. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." | | | | Last edited: by Grendell |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Add my agreement to Skip, Hal, Tigi and James. Add me to the list. | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"Writer" should never be used for an on screen credit of "Screenplay by", so the voter is incorrect.
"Writer" is only to be used for an on-screen credit of "Writer" or "Written By".
An on screen credit of "Screenpaly By" is always a DVDP credit of "Screenwriter".
And I agree with Pete. Changing wrong data to correct data is never insignificant.
When it's in the rules, I'll vote that way. As of now, the rules state:
I vote according to the rules. Period.
Le Notti del Terrore ("Buriel Ground") is an original screenplay. So you choose to disregard what's in the left column (i.e. accepted credits for Screenwriter or Writer credits in DVD Profiler) and just go by what's in the Notes column? In most cases, what's in the Notes section corresponds with what's in the Accepted Credits section, but not always. I think the notes were made with the most "common" instances in mind, i.e. a "Screenplay by" credit is most often accompanied by some sort of "Original Material by" credit. This is, however, not always the case in older movies and non-US movies. In many of those cases, these Notes do NOT correspond with what's in the Accepted Credits column, i.e. there are often "Screenplay by" credits without an "Original Material by" credit. IMO, the Accepted Credits column should clearly override the Notes column in this case. "As credited" have been key words for both cast and crew credits for a long time now - in this case, where the credit is "Screenplay by", this should be entered as "Screenwriter" in the profile. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | When the rules are updated to say, "Use for adapted screenplays or films that specifically list the writing credit as screenwriter," I will vote that way.
I vote according to the rules, not according to interpretations of the rules by users in the forums. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
They are not a source of confusion for me, gard, now if people will listen instead of arguing it won't be for them either. Of course it's not a source of confusion for you. You've got time and experience here. New people here and those with less experience who read and try to follow the rules can be confused by the notes which can contradict the expected use for the roles. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! | | | | Last edited: by tweeter |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
When the rules are updated to say, "Use for adapted screenplays or films that specifically list the writing credit as screenwriter," I will vote that way.
I vote according to the rules, not according to interpretations of the rules by users in the forums. This is your interpretation of the rule! The left column clearly states what everyone here seems to agree on except you. Also, where in this Film's credits does it say that Le Notti del Terrore is an original screenplay and that this film is based on that?! There is ONE writing credit (and ONE only) in the credits, and that is "Screenplay by"! How hard can it be?  And blocking me when I sent you a PM asking you to change your vote was really classy . | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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I have no problem admitting there's no way to tell based solely on the screen credit whether it's original or not. What does help in determining that though is that it is the only writing credit during the credits. If the story had been based on some other work, wouldn't that credit be present in the credits? So, based on the absence of a credit that hints or implies that the movie is an adaptation of some other work, I think you can safely go with it being original.
That's my point. The fact that there are no other writing credits does not necessarily mean that it is an original screenplay. This happens frequently with adapted screenplays. There is a reason why he was not credited as a "Writer" or "Written By" in the actual film credits. I am not going to try to second guess why that decision was made, but it was a decsion to credit him only with the screenplay, therefore that's what we need to use in DVDP. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Ken really ought to remove the Notes for writer and screenwriter, though, because they're the source of endless confusion and contradict the Credited As column in some cases. Totally agree. Additional writing credits wouldn't hurt either. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"Writer" should never be used for an on screen credit of "Screenplay by", so the voter is incorrect.
"Writer" is only to be used for an on-screen credit of "Writer" or "Written By".
An on screen credit of "Screenpaly By" is always a DVDP credit of "Screenwriter".
And I agree with Pete. Changing wrong data to correct data is never insignificant.
When it's in the rules, I'll vote that way. As of now, the rules state:
I vote according to the rules. Period.
Le Notti del Terrore ("Buriel Ground") is an original screenplay. Well, then, just look under the column for the on screen credits that are permitted for each credit in DVDP. If it is not listed there, then it is NOT allowed. I do not see "Screenplay By" listed next to the "Writer" credit. Do you?  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <shakes head>
Unbelievable. The answer to this is Open Credits, otherwise if its not this one it will be something else and you guys will spend the rest of your time chasing your tails.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Le Notti del Terrore ("Buriel Ground") is an original screenplay. According to the information I find on this Italian database http://www.mymovies.it/cast/?id=16549 the screenplay ("Sceneggiatura") was based on a story ("Soggetto") by the same author. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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Le Notti del Terrore ("Buriel Ground") is an original screenplay.
According to the information I find on this Italian database
http://www.mymovies.it/cast/?id=16549
the screenplay ("Sceneggiatura") was based on a story ("Soggetto") by the same author. P.s. Had it been an American movie, the author would have got a "Written by" credit in the film's credits, if I read correctly the WGA rules on screen credits, . Quote:
The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit. and DVDP would have "Writer" accordingly, as per DVDP Rules BUT Italian movies don't follow WGA rules, AFAIK, and credit both 'Story by' (Soggetto) and 'Screenplay by' (Sceneggiatura) even if by the same guy, so DVDP should credit them the same way according to screen credits, per DVDP Rules, id est Screenplay = Screenwriter. Just my 2 eurocents  | | | | -- Enry |
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