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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've recently made a contribution for "Burial Ground: The Nights of Terror" (UPC 631595020892).
I made a change to the Crew section regarding writer;
Piero Regnoli was entered as "Writer" in the existing profile, but in the opening credits he is credited with;
"Screenplay by"
so I changed the entry to "Screenwriter".
One user has voted no with the reason being: "Screenwriter is to be used for adapted screenplays only, per rules".
Is this a valid no vote, or am I right in changing the entry? | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Is this a valid no vote, or am I right in changing the entry? One of the rules that is often forgotten (and I think it is a good one, probably the best) is : " Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database". In this case, I think that no vote is valid according to this rule. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | i would say that if its a original screenplay then writer is the right credit, At least thats how i read the rule. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | according to the rules, the no vote is valid. The two terms are used to differeniate between original material (writer) and adapted material (Screenwriter) krik  | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
One of the rules that is often forgotten (and I think it is a good one, probably the best) is :
"Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database".
In this case, I think that no vote is valid according to this rule. If he was only changing this one thing then I could see your point, but he's updating a lot of things in the profile and this is just one of the many. -edit- Suppose I should comment on the actual question posed. I'd agree with Krik up above. The 2 different credits are used to distinguish between original works and adapted works. I would say that "As Credited" would overrule that but since we don't have a "Screenplay By" option, using either strays from "As Credited" so may as well go with the one that signifies this is an original work. What makes it sticky is that "Screenplay" is a specific example for when to use "Screenwriter" so I see your point. But if it was me I would just leave well enough alone and keep it as is. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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Is this a valid no vote, or am I right in changing the entry?
One of the rules that is often forgotten (and I think it is a good one, probably the best) is :
"Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database".
In this case, I think that no vote is valid according to this rule. This was not the only change I made; Here are my contribution notes; Resubmitted without Original Title (you guys are hard to please ;-). FULL AUDIT; Improved colour, clarity and cropping on Cover Scans - existing scans too bright compared to the cover (scanned from owned original). Added Original Title as shown in Opening credits. CoO added. Removed Featurettes and added Interviews and Booklet to Features. Overview; ...among the eccentric guest.... ---> ...among the eccentric guests... ...solidify the filn's... -----> ...solidify the film's... Piero Regnoli credited as Screenwriter. Crew changes visually verified from Film's credits using DVDPlayer. Still can't see why it's justified to add a credited screenwriter with writer, but maybe I'm dense...  | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Krikarian: Quote:
according to the rules, the no vote is valid. The two terms are used to differeniate between original material (writer) and adapted material (Screenwriter)
krik How can you tell the difference when there is only one credited writer/screenwiter? Maybe the screenplay is based on a work not credited in the film? | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Quoting Krikarian:
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according to the rules, the no vote is valid. The two terms are used to differeniate between original material (writer) and adapted material (Screenwriter)
krik
How can you tell the difference when there is only one credited writer/screenwiter? Maybe the screenplay is based on a work not credited in the film? Indeed. According to this page reporting the original credits of that Italian movie , http://www.mymovies.it/cast/?id=16549 Piero Regnoli was the author of both the "Soggetto" (Italian for film story) and of the "Sceneggiatura" (Italian for screenplay). | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Screenplay by -> Screenwriter. The rules are pretty clear on what credits should be given a Screenwriter credit in DVD Profiler: Quote:
Screenwriter
Screenplay
Teleplay The Notes in the rules for both Screenwriter and Writer should be removed, as there have been countless discussions about this before, as they only serve to confuse. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Screenplay=Screenwriter PERIOD
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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Is this a valid no vote, or am I right in changing the entry?
One of the rules that is often forgotten (and I think it is a good one, probably the best) is :
"Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database".
In this case, I think that no vote is valid according to this rule. all due respect, his change adss significant CORECT information and removes the MSLEADING data, Yves. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is how I see it too.... if you make even a tiny one field change from wrong info to correct info (per the rules)... then that is a significant change. (If this was the only change it would be significant)
whether this change is correct per rules... I currently couldn't say as I don't mess with the crew enough to understand all the crew rules.
but overall... for any change if it is changing info from wrong to right (per the rules) it is indeed a significant change. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Writer" should never be used for an on screen credit of "Screenplay by", so the voter is incorrect.
"Writer" is only to be used for an on-screen credit of "Writer" or "Written By".
An on screen credit of "Screenpaly By" is always a DVDP credit of "Screenwriter".
And I agree with Pete. Changing wrong data to correct data is never insignificant. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
"Writer" should never be used for an on screen credit of "Screenplay by", so the voter is incorrect.
"Writer" is only to be used for an on-screen credit of "Writer" or "Written By".
An on screen credit of "Screenpaly By" is always a DVDP credit of "Screenwriter".
And I agree with Pete. Changing wrong data to correct data is never insignificant. Agree 100% This has been discussed like a thousand times by now in this forum. | | | | Michael |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"Writer" should never be used for an on screen credit of "Screenplay by", so the voter is incorrect.
"Writer" is only to be used for an on-screen credit of "Writer" or "Written By".
An on screen credit of "Screenpaly By" is always a DVDP credit of "Screenwriter".
And I agree with Pete. Changing wrong data to correct data is never insignificant.
Agree 100%
This has been discussed like a thousand times by now in this forum. Agree 100% | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Add my agreement to Skip, Hal, Tigi and James. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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