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Proud PS3 owner in Europe?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantbigdog
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Thanks,

We build computers and servers for the medical industry among others so they knew it would be a great prize. They also had a Wii, 80G iPOD, and a bunch of other prizes, but I put most of my tickets into the PS3 bowl. I never win anything so was surprised when they called my raffle ticket number.

I know one of the titles I want to get is the Planet Earth series (on Discovery) on Blu-Ray. Other than that I''m still trying to decide on which other ones to get. At work they just gave out $25 Bestbuy gift cards to everyone so I figure I'll go get one with that. Any suggestions?
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I bought one at the launch date in Switzerland. And I got a 10% discount as well.

But then I found out about the blu-ray movie region code confusion (A, B and C) and that the playstation 3 uses approximately 175 watts to watch a movie.

So I took the entire package back to the store and asked for a refund.

I am not going to waste 175 watts of energy to play a movie and I didn't wanted it to play games either (I own a Wii).
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I bought one at the launch date in Switzerland. And I got a 10% discount as well.

But then I found out about the blu-ray movie region code confusion (A, B and C) and that the playstation 3 uses approximately 175 watts to watch a movie.

So I took the entire package back to the store and asked for a refund.

I am not going to waste 175 watts of energy to play a movie and I didn't wanted it to play games either (I own a Wii).

I'm sorry you can't afford the approx. $.02 it costs to watch a movie on the PS3.  I have never noticed a real difference in my electric bill and I keep mine on most of of the time.  Most computers use from 300 Watts to 600 Watts.  Do you have a computer? 

I guess you didn't know that the Toshiba HD-A1 and HD-XA1 was nothing more than a computer with a HD DVD drive.  So, guess how much power it uses. 
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I guess you didn't know that the Toshiba HD-A1 and HD-XA1 was nothing more than a computer with a HD DVD drive.  So, guess how much power it uses. 

So whats a PS3 then? Is it some magical box crammed with Sony fairies that ingest BD discs and sprinkle them with Sony pixie dust to make pretty pictures and sound?

No its a box with a circuit board and a 7-core asymmetric cpu, with an nvidia gpu and some memory chips and a hard drive and a blu ray optical drive, and a power supply unit and some fans. So nothing at all like a computer! 
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Gears of War is a great game.  It is extremely short because of the space limitations on the Xbox 360 (3 hours of game play).  In contrast, the maps on Resistance: FoM are huge.  It takes a lot more time to complete Resistance than Gears of War.


Nonsense. what are "space limitations"? Do you mean available ram for the game, oh whoops the 360 has more. If you mean 16gb of data versus the 9gb of Gears of war, then you know absolutely nothing about games. Sizes of maps within a given engine and amount of content between 2 games has absolutely no correlation to filesize.

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Yes, these are definitely good games, but it took a year after the console came out to start to maximize it's potential with these titles.

Shame the PS3 launched 14 months later than the 360 in Europe then isn't it? what was the hold up there then? Oh yes while the cpu and gpu technology was locked down in 2005, sony had to wait for your precious blu-ray to work before they could release their console, by which time the gpu was outdated before it was even released being of a lower capability than the 360 gpu released a year earlier!

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In the meantime, I'll probably really catch up on PS2 games, I skipped that machine. God of War and Shadow of the Colossus are very intriguing.

...Intriguing indeed.  Enjoy!

Yes do enjoy those ps2 games on your > $800 console, and try to forget they would work in a $129 console too. 
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I guess you didn't know that the Toshiba HD-A1 and HD-XA1 was nothing more than a computer with a HD DVD drive.  So, guess how much power it uses. 

So whats a PS3 then? Is it some magical box crammed with Sony fairies that ingest BD discs and sprinkle them with Sony pixie dust to make pretty pictures and sound?

No its a box with a circuit board and a 7-core asymmetric cpu, with an nvidia gpu and some memory chips and a hard drive and a blu ray optical drive, and a power supply unit and some fans. So nothing at all like a computer! 

This is an emotional argument and not a logical one.  In case you missed his point.  He is cliaming he returned the PS3 because it draws SO much power (particularly when it comes to playing movies).  I could have even brought up the point that an Intel P4 processor alone (no other components involved) draws more power than the PS3 playing a Blu-ray movie.

My point was that 1st gen HD DVD draws about the same amount of watts or more.  The other point was that computers generally draw WAY more power than the PS3 draws and he most likely has a computer.  The would mean that it was a very poor attempt at trying to convince people not to get a PS3 that has more capabilities than any HD DVD or any other Blu-ray player currently on the market.

Your argument is not relevant.
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Nonsense. what are "space limitations"? Do you mean available ram for the game, oh whoops the 360 has more. If you mean 16gb of data versus the 9gb of Gears of war, then you know absolutely nothing about games. Sizes of maps within a given engine and amount of content between 2 games has absolutely no correlation to filesize.


That is incorrect.  RAM is equal.  Really it should be an advantage for the PS3 because it is not shared with system resources, but I will let you has equal.  Read this.  Take off one of the HDMI inputs listed for the PS3.

The end of July (July 31).  You may understand just some of what the PS3 is capable of.

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Shame the PS3 launched 14 months later than the 360 in Europe then isn't it? what was the hold up there then? Oh yes while the cpu and gpu technology was locked down in 2005, sony had to wait for your precious blu-ray to work before they could release their console, by which time the gpu was outdated before it was even released being of a lower capability than the 360 gpu released a year earlier!

They also waited for HDMI 1.3.   The PS3 will be around for about a decade and the Xbox 360 will probably be around for 3 more years.  I fail to see your point.


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Yes do enjoy those ps2 games on your > $800 console, and try to forget they would work in a $129 console too. 

I will enjoy my PS1, PS2, and PS3 (especially the advanced 1080p and lossless sound...not upscaled to 1080p) games along with my Blu-ray movies (at 1080p/24) Linux OS on my PS3.  Oh, I forgot about my new media server support; high-end DVD upscaling to 1080p; motion sensitive controllers; @Home online FREE service; bluetooth keyboard, mouse, and headset; 4 USB 2.0 ports; web browser; network printer feature (yes...I said network printer feature); built-in wireless network adapter; Gigabit Ethernet; and memory card reader for $599 (plus tax)! What a deal! 

You enjoy that Xbox 360!  I traded mine and the games in for PS3 game reserves.
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I will enjoy my PS1, PS2, and PS3 (especially the advanced 1080p and lossless sound...not upscaled to 1080p) games along with my Blu-ray movies (at 1080p/24)

Your TV won't show you that glorious 1080p/24 at 24p. No TV will as long as the electrical frequency is 60hz. Your TV is taking that 24p signal and converting it into either a 60p or 60i signal by adding 3:2 pulldown.
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That is incorrect.  RAM is equal.

No the Ps3 has 256MB of system ram and 256MB of graphics ram, the 360 has 512MB of unified ram (that can be used by either the system or the GPU, so at any given time the 360 can have either more system ram or more video ram than the PS3, take your pick) and 10MB of dedicated embedded DRAM within the GPU (a first across any gaming platform) therefore yet again YOU ARE WRONG.

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The end of July (July 31).  You may understand just some of what the PS3 is capable of.

What is that supposed to mean? You mean there's a game for PS3 owners to buy!!! WOW! A GAME, OH PRAISE THE LORD, THANK YOU SONY THANK YOU FOR RELEASING A GAME FOR ME TO BUY!!!

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They also waited for HDMI 1.3.   The PS3 will be around for about a decade and the Xbox 360 will probably be around for 3 more years.  I fail to see your point.

Considering it is selling a painful 80,000 units a month, and has lost almost every single third party exclusive that made the PS2 what it is (MGS4 was announced this week for 360, leaving just Final Fantasy as the sole third party exclusive), there is a good chance it may not be around in two years let alone 10!! Can you say Dreamcast?

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Yes do enjoy those ps2 games on your > $800 console, and try to forget they would work in a $129 console too. 
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I will enjoy my PS1, PS2, and PS3 (especially the advanced 1080p and lossless sound...not upscaled to 1080p)

You mean the 480i image of ps1 and ps2 games upscaled to 1080p which look awful. And all those glorious PS3 games that are rendered in 1080p, oh wait a minute, after all that hype, the PS3 cant actually render many games at 1080p, its amazing how morons can suck up every line of hype about a product without actually understanding anything whatsoever about what they are buying.
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along with my Blu-ray movies

WOW!
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Linux OS on my PS3.

WOW I always wanted a linux box under my tv!!
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Oh, I forgot about my new media server support; high-end DVD upscaling to 1080p; motion sensitive controllers; @Home online FREE service; bluetooth keyboard, mouse, and headset; 4 USB 2.0 ports; web browser; network printer feature (yes...I said network printer feature); built-in wireless network adapter; Gigabit Ethernet; and memory card reader for $599 (plus tax)! What a deal! 

All essential items to improve the gaming experience...oh wait USB ports, gigabit ethernet, none of it makes my games any better, so none of it is any use in a game console. And note this thread is called PS3 in Europe, where the PS3 costs between the US equivalent of $806 in mainland Europe and $840 here in the UK - and they don't even throw in an HDMI cable, it comes with composite video.
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You enjoy that Xbox 360!
 
Not difficult when there is a library of good games to play...

Feel free to use a total lack of rational thought to justify your purchases to yourself, but why do you feel the need to spout your retarded drivel in public at the annoyance of every single other member of this forum, does no one listen to your rubbish in real life? Can't you walk about your workplace or home telling people that Sony products are the only products in the world that can lead them to happiness? At least then your urge to vomit up this garbage all over the pages of this forum might be reduced.
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I will enjoy my PS1, PS2, and PS3 (especially the advanced 1080p and lossless sound...not upscaled to 1080p) games along with my Blu-ray movies (at 1080p/24)

Your TV won't show you that glorious 1080p/24 at 24p. No TV will as long as the electrical frequency is 60hz. Your TV is taking that 24p signal and converting it into either a 60p or 60i signal by adding 3:2 pulldown.

Which one of my TVs won't display a 1080p/24 signal.  The one that's 1080p/60Hz, 480p/60Hz, or the 1080p/96Hz?
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No the Ps3 has 256MB of system ram and 256MB of graphics ram, the 360 has 512MB of unified ram (that can be used by either the system or the GPU, so at any given time the 360 can have either more system ram or more video ram than the PS3, take your pick) and 10MB of dedicated embedded DRAM within the GPU (a first across any gaming platform) therefore yet again YOU ARE WRONG.

I guess you didn't know the PS3 video memory runs at twice the speed of the Xbox 360 video memory.  That means the PS3 can go through 512MB just as fast as the Xbox 360.  Actually, it should go through it slightly faster since the GPU clock speed is 50MHz faster than the Xbox 360's GPU.

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What is that supposed to mean? You mean there's a game for PS3 owners to buy!!! WOW! A GAME, OH PRAISE THE LORD, THANK YOU SONY THANK YOU FOR RELEASING A GAME FOR ME TO BUY!!!

Yep.  I have 14 so far with 4 more already paid for.  Just waiting for them to be released.

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Considering it is selling a painful 80,000 units a month, and has lost almost every single third party exclusive that made the PS2 what it is (MGS4 was announced this week for 360, leaving just Final Fantasy as the sole third party exclusive), there is a good chance it may not be around in two years let alone 10!! Can you say Dreamcast?

The PS2 didn't do as well as the PS3 has done so far at this stage (for a lot of same reasons...DVD drive...higher price).  I believe the PS2 has sold over 115 million units to date (and still out selling the Xbox 360).  Remember that 60% of PS2 owners said they will get the PS3.  Do the math.
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I guess you didn't know the PS3 video memory runs at twice the speed of the Xbox 360 video memory.  That means the PS3 can go through 512MB just as fast as the Xbox 360.  Actually, it should go through it slightly faster since the GPU clock speed is 50MHz faster than the Xbox 360's GPU.

Hahahahaha, you've now confirmed to me that you are totally clueless about computer game hardware (backed up by you buying 18 PS3 titles so far), so I no longer feel compelled to respond to the idiotic points you raise.  
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I guess you didn't know the PS3 video memory runs at twice the speed of the Xbox 360 video memory.  That means the PS3 can go through 512MB just as fast as the Xbox 360.  Actually, it should go through it slightly faster since the GPU clock speed is 50MHz faster than the Xbox 360's GPU.

Hahahahaha, you've now confirmed to me that you are totally clueless about computer game hardware (backed up by you buying 18 PS3 titles so far), so I no longer feel compelled to respond to the idiotic points you raise.  

Well, let me back myself up with this article that breakdown the PS3 vs. the Xbox 360 somewhat.  Oh yeah, the GPU speed was reduced to 500MHz from 550MHz on the PS3.

Plus, the Cell processor is so flexible that a SPE could be dedicated to doing nothing but helping the GPU (like a secondary GPU).  The PS3 is an extremely flexible system.  Well, you're not going to listen anyway.  You will just see the results in better looking and larger graphical worlds with more things happening in them.  But, even then you probably won't be able to except it.  You emotions won't let you admit it even then, right?  That's cool.  Enjoy the Xbox 360!  I did 'til recently.

BTW, I use to build computers (still do in my spare time).  I am A+ certified.
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I guess you didn't know the PS3 video memory runs at twice the speed of the Xbox 360 video memory.  That means the PS3 can go through 512MB just as fast as the Xbox 360.  Actually, it should go through it slightly faster since the GPU clock speed is 50MHz faster than the Xbox 360's GPU.

Hahahahaha, you've now confirmed to me that you are totally clueless about computer game hardware (backed up by you buying 18 PS3 titles so far), so I no longer feel compelled to respond to the idiotic points you raise.  

Well, let me back myself up with this article that breakdown the PS3 vs. the Xbox 360 somewhat.  Oh yeah, the GPU speed was reduced to 500MHz from 550MHz on the PS3.

Plus, the Cell processor is so flexible that a SPE could be dedicated to doing nothing but helping the GPU (like a secondary GPU).  The PS3 is an extremely flexible system.  Well, you're not going to listen anyway.  You will just see the results in better looking and larger graphical worlds with more things happening in them.  But, even then you probably won't be able to except it.  You emotions won't let you admit it even then, right?  That's cool.  Enjoy the Xbox 360!  I did 'til recently.

BTW, I use to build computers (still do in my spare time).  I am A+ certified.


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I will enjoy my PS1, PS2, and PS3 (especially the advanced 1080p and lossless sound...not upscaled to 1080p) games along with my Blu-ray movies (at 1080p/24)

Your TV won't show you that glorious 1080p/24 at 24p. No TV will as long as the electrical frequency is 60hz. Your TV is taking that 24p signal and converting it into either a 60p or 60i signal by adding 3:2 pulldown.

Which one of my TVs won't display a 1080p/24 signal.  The one that's 1080p/60Hz, 480p/60Hz, or the 1080p/96Hz?

NO CONSUMER TV on the market today will display a true 1080p/24 frame signal. Every CONSUMER TV out there takes the 24p signal and adds pulldown to get a 60p it. It's a fact, albeit one that the HD gurus don't mention. There is no way to display a 24p image on any HD monitor and not have a strobing image being displayed. Our eyes see faster than that and the strobing is hard to look at and will give you a headache. I have been on Shoots using a Panavision Genesis HD camera that shoots 24p, and the only monitors that displayed the true 24p signal were expensive PROFESSIONAL STUDIO monitors. and there was a noticeable strobing of the image that you could see.
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I see you have expanded your empty content territory.  Good for you!
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