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| Registered: February 10, 2008 |  Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I'm auditing some tv series right now I'd find it helpfull to have an identifier for Cast role names as the role names of some/many cast members are not always credited (e.g. "Deadwood" has none at all). With an identifier for this it would be easier to see if the role names are verified by credits itself or another source (audio/subtitles/web) has to be checked to confirm them. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,741 |
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well we have "uncredited" for actors... and I'd like something similar for the role names... |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MakoDeth: Quote:
Well we have "uncredited" for actors... and I'd like something similar for the role names... This is what we have when we leave the rolenames blank, isn't it? When everything is done as it should, the contribution notes would answer the question whether the rolenames came from the credits or from other sources. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | "When everything is done as it should"... yeah... but I don't think anyone here would list an explanation to every single uncredited role name (no offense meant)... and frankly I don't even insist on that explanation with all the cloning etc... I'd just prefer to have an option to see if the role name was credited or not (for instance while voting on a contribution or while (re-)auditing a profile). |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ahh, OK,
when thinking about your proposal for a bit longer I see how this could be of some use.
But I fear that this would lead to a real flag-orgy with TV-Shows, which (in my experience) only very scarcely have rolenames for the leading cast. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe the rules allow for use of the official show website in such instances. But to go further afield, say imdb maybe, runs afoul of licensing entanglements. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I believe the rules allow for use of the official show website in such instances. But to go further afield, say imdb maybe, runs afoul of licensing entanglements. That is for films/shows with no credits. For films/shows with credits, but no roles listed, the rules allow the use of "another source to identify the role." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yep, credits without role names are quite common not just in TV shows, but also in old (let's say pre-1960) films. What I usually do in such cases is combine several on-line sources for the role names and mention them in my contribution notes ("Role names from ...x..., ...y... and ...z..."). Mixed cases (with some roles mentioned in the credits and some not) do exist as well, BTW.
In theory, the identifier MakoDeth was asking for should already be present in the contribution notes, however a) this is not very convenient if you're looking for that info; b) not every user will always mention this clearly in his or her contribution notes, so I can see where the OP is coming from. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | You could watch the DVD, that's why I buy them and as you watch them you could pick up on the roles.
And you could add head shot for those you don't recognize. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | With all due respect: having to watch an entire DVD before voting on a contribution or doing a profile (re-)audit is not very practical. And headshots are attached to actors, not to particular roles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not something I really see a need for personally. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Not something I really see a need for personally. I have no need of it either as I honestly don't care whether or not the role was listed in the credits. It might also have to do with the fact that, when I do contribute these types of profiles, I list exactly where I got the roles in my notes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | 9 times out of 10.... other then the main cast for TV series (which is very easily documented)... if it is blank in the credits I just leave it blank in profiler. If someone else wants to find and add the role names more power to them.
I usually don't use multiple sites to determine a role name in these cases because I seen too many slight variations on the name between the sites. Like some sites will have first and last name... other sites just first name. So I just got to the point that I usually don't bother for recurring or guest roles. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MakoDeth: Quote:
As I'm auditing some tv series right now I'd find it helpfull to have an identifier for Cast role names as the role names of some/many cast members are not always credited (e.g. "Deadwood" has none at all). With an identifier for this it would be easier to see if the role names are verified by credits itself or another source (audio/subtitles/web) has to be checked to confirm them. I'd like this feature too, but I don't see it as a high priority. It's a feature I probably would make use of if it was available. --------------- |
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