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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe that the regular crew of a Lancaster bomber was 7, which would account for the six following Gibson. They probably merit a group divider. The rest can then follow as ordinary cast | | | | Chris |
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 | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
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| | Posted: | | | | Even if that is true Mole (I'm not sure either way), it brings up an interesting question.
I would think that simply adding them as if there is no difference wouldn't make sense to either how they are displayed in your profile or how they show up in the database.
Until multi-level dividers are incorporated, I would think that an alternative would need to be used (similar to how apostrophes were put around words meant to be bold in overviews until bold and italics were added.
Something like placing == around the sub-level:
Members of 617 Squadron <-- Top-level divider
== His Crew == <-- sub-level divider | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
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 | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | We desperately need nested dividers, and else, we at least need some definitive guidance on how to deal with such cases. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, nested dividers would be the perfect solution for this. An interim solution might be, if there is no more cast after the "Members of 617 Squadron" then you could use an episode divider locally and that would allow you to use the group divider underneath it. Although unfortunately you'd have to make it a group divider for submission.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Looks pretty straight forward to me, Nick. Nested Dividers would be the perfect solution, but we don't have that ability at this time, although the data setup is simply two dividers. His Crew is set up simply as another divider and not necessarily nested, that is reading into the data something that is not present On Screen simply based on "His Crew". So I would say two dividers, but I would not argue nesting which can be achieved manually...sort of. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Per rules you can't use episodes dividers for within a single movie. So that idea is out. This was brought up several times before. Including in the Rules Committee Forum where a couple ideas came up. So far at this point I personally like Ken Cole's suggestion the best. Where you put the top divider title ahead of the nested divider's name so you would have something like...
Members of 617 Squadron
Wing Commander Guy Gibson ... Richard Todd
Members of 617 Squadron - His Crew
FLT/LT R. D. Trevor-Roper... Brewster Mason
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mole: Quote:
I believe that the regular crew of a Lancaster bomber was 7, which would account for the six following Gibson. They probably merit a group divider. The rest can then follow as ordinary cast They should all be under the 'Members of 617 Squadron' divider as they are all members of the squadron. The 6 under 'His Crew' were the ones on his plane. Unfortunately, because we don't have nested dividers, we will end up with three of them... Members of 617 SquadronWing Commander Guy Gibson ... Richard Todd Members of 617 Squadron - His CrewFLT/LT R. D. Trevor-Roper... Brewster Mason Etc. Members of 617 SquadronThe rest of the squadron | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I believe that the regular crew of a Lancaster bomber was 7, which would account for the six following Gibson. They probably merit a group divider. The rest can then follow as ordinary cast
They should all be under the 'Members of 617 Squadron' divider as they are all members of the squadron. The 6 under 'His Crew' were the ones on his plane. But they are not setup as a subdivider Martian. Your call is simply based on verbiage not on the setup of the data.. For nested you could do it as pete descried though based strictly on the data, I don't see the nesting, I do based on language. But I see two SEPARATE dividers. But for manual nesting you could also Members of 617 Squadron His Crew Bit the data does not support nesting, the "His Crew" is setup exactly as is "Members of 617 Squadron", no difference in the ACTUAL data any determination is determined based on language which the Rules do not support, nor do they even imply it as acceptable. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Mole:
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I believe that the regular crew of a Lancaster bomber was 7, which would account for the six following Gibson. They probably merit a group divider. The rest can then follow as ordinary cast
They should all be under the 'Members of 617 Squadron' divider as they are all members of the squadron. The 6 under 'His Crew' were the ones on his plane. Unfortunately, because we don't have nested dividers, we will end up with three of them...
Members of 617 Squadron
Wing Commander Guy Gibson ... Richard Todd
Members of 617 Squadron - His Crew
FLT/LT R. D. Trevor-Roper... Brewster Mason
Etc.
Members of 617 Squadron
The rest of the squadron I hadn't seen this option before. It could get pretty ugly on profiles that require multiple dividers within dividers. Edit: I'm going to try it on my Amadeus profile. There I need: <Opera Soloists> <1st Opera> <Sung By> names <Acted By> names <2nd Opera> <Sung By> and so on. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Bit the data does not support nesting, the "His Crew" is setup exactly as is "Members of 617 Squadron", no difference in the ACTUAL data any determination is determined based on language which the Rules do not support, nor do they even imply it as acceptable. We will have to agree to disagree on this point. In my opinion, 'His Crew' is a subset of 'Members of 617 Squadron'. It is used to designate the crew of a single plane, that was part of that squadron. Everyone, under that header, belongs under that header. If not, the header makes no sense as a squadron isn't a single aircraft. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If not, the header makes no sense as a squadron isn't a single aircraft. Worse than that, the header "Member s of 617 Squadron" would actually be referring to a single person! |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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If not, the header makes no sense as a squadron isn't a single aircraft.
Worse than that, the header "Members of 617 Squadron" would actually be referring to a single person! Indeed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | But it is still based omn language and NOT data, Martian. And like I said the Rules do not support nor do they imply acceptance of your opinion. Even though i might personally be able to agree with you, the data does not comform to subdividers on their own. Both dividers are handled by the filmmakers in identical ways. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | That makes so little sense it's not even worth arguing about.
Suffice to say, even though personally I think it looks awful I think Pete & Martian's format seems to portray the cast data as accurately as we can without a program change. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
That makes so little sense it's not even worth arguing about.
Suffice to say, even though personally I think it looks awful I think Pete & Martian's format seems to portray the cast data as accurately as we can without a program change.  Unneccessary It's not my fault you...no I won't finish it.  I did not vbelittle anything you said, north, though trust me I wanted to.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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