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Are the use of dividers getting out of hand?
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I just noticed a contribution that added spaces (empty dividers) because there were "wide gaps" in the cast listing. Somehow I doubt this was the intended use for dividers and I hope this is NOT what it was intended for, seeing that it's bad enough as it is. 
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I would not use dividers like this and would vote 'no' for any contribution that does.  The rules say, "Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings."  A 'wide gap' is not a logical grouping.  In addition, a 'wide gap' does not fit any of the examples given for when/how to use the dividers.
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That's what I thought. But I think it's the line "Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits." that is the real culprit behind this.
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We are disagreeing a lot today.  I would use a divider like this.  There is a reason why the filmmaker inserted a space between the cast list, often to separate one group of cast from another.  That to me is a logical grouping.  It would be better if the cast listing allowed a use of a blank line, but in absence of that, I don't see why we can't use an empty divider.
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So exactly how wide should the gap be to allow for a divider?
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Are the use of dividers getting out of hand?

It most certainly is, yes!  I encounter new divider abuse almost every single day - it seems to getting worse by the minute.

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I would not use dividers like this and would vote 'no' for any contribution that does.  The rules say, "Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings."  A 'wide gap' is not a logical grouping.  In addition, a 'wide gap' does not fit any of the examples given for when/how to use the dividers.

Agreed on all counts.
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The rules also say not to use generic headings like Starring, Co-Starring, Introducing, Featuring and what have you (in particular in TV sereis).
And you can't get more generic than an empty line.

So please, no dividers for that, only for actual information.
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A divider without any content seems weird, isn't it? It isn't a logical grouping in my opinion and it has no data at all. But isn't that the problem of how the rules for the use of the dividers has been formulated? What seems to be logical for person A isn't logical for person B. So far I have used the group dividers only for separating Visual Effects Companies & (post-production) Sound Companies, Grouped Cast Roles and Songs.
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A divider without any content seems a weird, isn't it?

Not to mention what it does to the cast members listed underneath. Suddenly these people are part of a group without a name. It looks pretty strange when you look up someone's acting credits and some are listed below an empty group header. That alone should tell us this is not the way to to go.
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I would not use dividers like this and would vote 'no' for any contribution that does.  The rules say, "Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings."  A 'wide gap' is not a logical grouping.  In addition, a 'wide gap' does not fit any of the examples given for when/how to use the dividers.

Agree with the Martian once again.
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I would not use dividers like this and would vote 'no' for any contribution that does.  The rules say, "Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings."  A 'wide gap' is not a logical grouping.  In addition, a 'wide gap' does not fit any of the examples given for when/how to use the dividers.

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The rules also say not to use generic headings like Starring, Co-Starring, Introducing, Featuring and what have you (in particular in TV sereis).
And you can't get more generic than an empty line.

So please, no dividers for that, only for actual information.

The rules do not state that.  The rules state:
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Dividers

Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits.

    * Use Episode dividers for TV show episodes, distinct films, or other logical episodic distinction. Also use episode dividers for full cast division, such as "Japanese Voices".
    * Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
    * "Cast", "In order of appearance" or other similar headers at the start of the credits should not be entered.
    * Also use Group dividers for crew teams, included only if the crew meets the other listing requirements.
    * Groups should be ended with a "Group End" type divider, unless the next entry begins a new group. Do not add a group end divider at the end of the cast, or at the end of a crew section.


The only header it lists to exclude is generic header at the start of the credits.  If the credit has a subheader later on down in the credits stating "Introducing", I would say that is allowed by the current rules.
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I agree with those who are against the use of empty dividers. Personally i think even using a divider when there is one role assigned to several people already incorrect.
Like:
Journalist - Jane Doe
              John Doe
              Paul Bohlmeijer ;-) (that's me ;-))
The rules tell us to use a divider here, while i think just copying the role is a better representation of the cast list.

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I would use a divider like this.  There is a reason why the filmmaker inserted a space between the cast list, often to separate one group of cast from another.  That to me is a logical grouping.  It would be better if the cast listing allowed a use of a blank line, but in absence of that, I don't see why we can't use an empty divider.

I don't agree.
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Not to mention what it does to the cast members listed underneath. Suddenly these people are part of a group without a name. It looks pretty strange when you look up someone's acting credits and some are listed below an empty group header. That alone should tell us this is not the way to go.

I agree.
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We don't repeat the Group Start Divider Caption in the Role field anymore, do we?
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