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Unrated, part 2
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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This poll is for feedback on the following proposal:

Add Unrated as a rating for US/Canada, with the following criteria:

- NR is never rated
- NR (Modified) is an alternate version of a film which previously received a theatrical rating

Releases which have multiple ratings use the higher rating.  R > PG, Unrated > R.
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Let's quit talking about this so we can go back to arguing over crew categories!
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As I said... it works for me! 
Pete
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I like it too. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
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works for me too.
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As i said before, NR is exactly the same as Unrated, both means there is no guidance, no rating by the MPAA, so I am strongly against this, but I will not be able to prevent is, so lockdown mode.

I couls start a new confusion with the following.

There are direct to video Horror films that have something on the cover like" Unrated shocking cut"
But they were never rated before.
So I am 100% sure that nearly yno one here would know what to enter.

Do we go by:
This film has never been rated so NR, tho it clearly says Unrated Cut on the cover ?

Do we go by:
Unrated, as it states on the cover, but there was never an MPAA rating before ?.

This new rule will only cause terrible confusion all around.

Anyways, I will lockdown all rating stuff the moment that the new rules are implied.

Have fun with this

cheers
Donnie
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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This poll is for feedback on the following proposal:

Add Unrated as a rating for US/Canada, with the following criteria:

- NR is never rated
- Unrated is an alternate version of a film which previously received a theatrical rating

Releases which have multiple ratings use the higher rating.  R > PG, Unrated > R.

Ok, I have some questions based on this, ken. Again remember I follow the data. Thus according to what I see you saying,it is conceivable that Unrated could be NR...yes
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As i said before, NR is exactly the same as Unrated, both means there is no guidance, no rating by the MPAA, so I am strongly against this, but I will not be able to prevent is, so lockdown mode.

I couls start a new confusion with the following.

There are direct to video Horror films that have something on the cover like" Unrated shocking cut"
But they were never rated before.
So I am 100% sure that nealr yno one here would know what to enter.

Do we go by:

This film has never been rated so NR, tho it clearly says Unrated Cut on the cover ?
Do we go with Unrated, as it states on the cover, but there was never an MPAA rating.

This new rule will only cause terrible confusion all around.

Anyways, I will lockdown all rating stuff the moment that the new rules are implied.

Have fun with this

cheers
Donnie

I am still inclined to agree Donnie and i will go into lockdown. This whol;e thing appears aimed at appeasing some users, while making things less usable, less functional and certainly less clear for others.

Is that what you are after Ken, usability and functionality as defined by some while ignoring other broad parts of the Community. It certainly won't improve it from where I am sitting.
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

Billy Video
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As i said before, NR is exactly the same as Unrated, both means there is no guidance, no rating by the MPAA, so I am strongly against this, but I will not be able to prevent is, so lockdown mode.

I couls start a new confusion with the following.

There are direct to video Horror films that have something on the cover like" Unrated shocking cut"
But they were never rated before.
So I am 100% sure that nearly yno one here would know what to enter.

Do we go by:
This film has never been rated so NR, tho it clearly says Unrated Cut on the cover ?

Do we go by:
Unrated, as it states on the cover, but there was never an MPAA rating before ?.

This new rule will only cause terrible confusion all around.

Anyways, I will lockdown all rating stuff the moment that the new rules are implied.

Have fun with this

cheers
Donnie


That is true... 
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The way I see it... this gets us closest to what the majority wants. No rule can be written to work with 100% of the titles. But with this getting us so close to what we want I am good with it. From there if there is a title I don't think the rule works with I will put it as I want it locally and lock it. That is a whole lot better then having to do it all locally like Unrated as a local only would do to us.
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This also the kind of thing that happens when data is ignored and definitions are trying to be created from whole cloth. I know of no where nor any basis outside of Ken that would support NR being the lowest Rating, not even to mention ignoring data based on criteria which is muddled at best.

Ken with all due respect to you, because it's your program and you can do as you wish, this is out there somewhere. I can see some possible ways to do this both short and long term, but I think you are headed down another wrong road. Sorry
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Billy Video
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The way I see it... this gets us closest to what the majority wants. No rule can be written to work with 100% of the titles. But with this getting us so close to what we want I am good with it. From there if there is a title I don't think the rule works with I will put it as I want it locally and lock it. That is a whole lot better then having to do it all locally like Unrated as a local only would do to us.

Pete:

There's that word again majority. So the majority drags the program off into the dirt and we wind with non-participants because of the majority. NO, this is a program, not a flaming Democracy,  the program has to serve all of it's user, not just SOME. The program has been turned very messy in a number of areas because of the MAJORITY, it is certainly far less usable and far less functional for many of us because of the MAJORITY being listened to. It becomes less functional and usable on a daily basis. Ther are solutions to these problems, I know exactly what i would do were I ken, but apparently Ken is not interested in any but the majority of users, so eventually he will have user base that is the current majority, based on the results of most polls, that's about 51%, some of the 49% will leave, so you are left with 51% which will then subdivide itself into a NEW majority and the population spirals down.

But there are answers, but as with most correct answers they aren't easy.
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Outta here

Billy Video
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I'm another person who has locked their local database.

Since there is so much confusion on this issue, I see lots of ping ponging of data. Personally, I will not contribute this data because the issue is not clear to me.
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Welcome aboard, Kathy
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

Billy Video
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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I've modified the first post to hopefully help those who were confused.  Instead of "Unrated", the proposal is to name it "NR (Modified)"
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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The way I see it... this gets us closest to what the majority wants. No rule can be written to work with 100% of the titles. But with this getting us so close to what we want I am good with it. From there if there is a title I don't think the rule works with I will put it as I want it locally and lock it. That is a whole lot better then having to do it all locally like Unrated as a local only would do to us.


Pete, you seem to forget, that much more films are released direct-to-video than in theaters, the films released to theaters are the minority.
So what we will be dealing here with is a huge amount of DVDs / Blu-Rays that have weird statements like "Director's Cut", Unrated Version", "Extreme Version", Extended Cut" on their covers, tho non of those films ever had a theatrical release or an MPAA rating.

The result will be that more and more people will lock down that field and not contribute it anymore.

Donnie
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