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| Registered: May 18, 2007 |  Posts: 389 |
| | Posted: | | | | While watching Tomorrow Never Dies I came across this:
(This is how it appears in the credits)
Visual Effects & Videographics Team
Producer Mara Bryan
Supervisor Bill Neil
Coordinator Sharon Lark
Art Director Mark Bowey
Designers Alec East Gerald Daniels James Stocks
My question is should the Supervisor & Designers get a Visual Effects credit? | | | | Last edited: by Orici |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Orici: Quote:
My question is should the Supervisor & Designers get a Visual Effects credit? IMHO, yes. Also, checking the CLT, I see that already nine 'Tomorrow Never Dies' profiles have them listed as such. |
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 389 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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My question is should the Supervisor & Designers get a Visual Effects credit?
IMHO, yes. Also, checking the CLT, I see that already nine 'Tomorrow Never Dies' profiles have them listed as such. But that doesn't mean its correct. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Orici: Quote:
But that doesn't mean its correct. Of course not. Before I posted, I just checked to see whether I was entirely alone in my opinion or not. I wasn't. |
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| | Posted: | | | | I agree with T!M. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 389 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many thanks for your input guys |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why wouldn't you list them they appear correct to the rules | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 389 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was question the fact that it said supervisor & designer only for all I knew it was for:
Videographics Supervisor & designer
The dumb question is the one that is not asked. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Supervisor and the Designers I would include in all cases. (Seem to be perfect matching)
And I think the Art Director could also get a credit. (Don't know how to treat if credited in Visuell Effects)
But the other I wouldn't include. (In Visuell Effects, there are no Coordinator and Producer in the credit chart) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Orici: Quote:
I was question the fact that it said supervisor & designer only for all I knew it was for:
Videographics Supervisor & designer
The dumb question is the one that is not asked. I won't disagree about the dumb question comment, Orici. I woukld list the ACTUAL credit under the Custom Role and make note of it the notes so that others who use the Custom Role can cut and paste. I wonder though, while it is not a company role, using a group role for "Visual Effects & Videographics Team" adds context and texture to the individual data. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
And I think the Art Director could also get a credit. (Don't know how to treat if credited in Visuell Effects) No, we don't do visual effects art directors. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I won't disagree about the dumb question comment, Orici. I woukld list the ACTUAL credit under the Custom Role and make note of it the notes so that others who use the Custom Role can cut and paste. I wonder though, while it is not a company role, using a group role for "Visual Effects & Videographics Team" adds context and texture to the individual data. The rules do not require a company name. They say to use group dividers for crew teams. As the credit uses the word 'team', I think a divider is warranted. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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And I think the Art Director could also get a credit. (Don't know how to treat if credited in Visuell Effects)
No, we don't do visual effects art directors. Thanks, for the quick response.  |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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And I think the Art Director could also get a credit. (Don't know how to treat if credited in Visuell Effects)
No, we don't do visual effects art directors. Why not. Just because they are listed within ILM credits, they are not an art director. Is the only valid entry beneath a VFX company a Digital/special/visual effects Supervisor/director/designer. I don't see this. Charlie |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Is the only valid entry beneath a VFX company a Digital/special/visual effects Supervisor/director/designer.
I don't see this. I do. As you've noted, the rules do allow digital/special/visual effects supervisors/directors/designers. Not digital/special/visual effects art directors. Other than that, a visual effects art director would be classed as "unit crew" (i.e. the visual effects unit), which the rules tell us not to enter. A "visual effects art director" is not the same, and should not be lumped together with, the film's actual art director. Worse: your line of reasoning also means that we'd have to enter "visual effects editors" as "editors", visual effects producers" as "producers", "visual effects directors of photography" as "directors of photography", and so on. Please, PLEASE let's not do that. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I do. As you've noted, the rules do allow digital/special/visual effects supervisors/directors/designers. Not digital/special/visual effects art directors. Other than that, a visual effects art director would be classed as "unit crew" (i.e. the visual effects unit), which the rules tell us not to enter. A "visual effects art director" is not the same, and should not be lumped together with, the film's actual art director.
Worse: your line of reasoning also means that we'd have to enter "visual effects editors" as "editors", visual effects producers" as "producers", "visual effects directors of photography" as "directors of photography", and so on. Please, PLEASE let's not do that. +1 | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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