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Registered: June 11, 2007 | Posts: 68 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi.
I just added season one of the UK edition of Joey to my collection, and discovered that both the A and B sides of the individual discs had their own profile. That's not how it's supposed to be, is it?
In addition, all B-side profiles are actually empty, except for the cover (same as the A-side), and the disc ID (which is also registered as the B-side for the A-side profile)
UPCs/Disc IDs: Box set: 7321900711760 Disc 1a: FA4B58D225C4FABE Disc 1b: CDCB04F9CD044CA4 Disc 2a: DDAA6091E43E7AFF Disc 2b: D539E47BD04F93D1 Disc 3a: 86E7C9524B199131 Disc 3b: DFE195B1E8824294
Is it OK if I remove the B-sides from the box set, and remove "side A" from the title of all A-sides? Actually, I've already done this locally, so I guess I'm really asking if it's OK to submit these changes. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 868 |
| Posted: | | | | I noticed the same thing, not having the time to check/change anything i left it alone for now.
I presume the original release had 3 slimcases and 6 single sided disc instead of 3 dual sided disc. Can anyone confirm this? I agree though that B-Sides should have the needed info, this you can submit without problems.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting trondmm: Quote: Hi.
I just added season one of the UK edition of Joey to my collection, and discovered that both the A and B sides of the individual discs had their own profile. That's not how it's supposed to be, is it? Per the rules, if child profiles are made, they are made in-line with Box Set rules. According to Box Set rules, both sides get profiled...and, no, it is not o.k. to remove them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to ask Martian where you are reading your comment from . Is it the following "Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets." If so that would be rather bizarre, are we to list each episode separately, that would be great but we can't. It doesn't say anything that can be interpreted as creating a profile for each side that I can find. I do remember this discussion once before, but either there is nothing in the Rules or I am missing which is possible.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually I disagree Martian... the TV Series Rules states to make the child profiler per each disc Under disc level profile. not each side. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | It's not specifically addressed in the rules; and yes we've discussed this before...probably more than once.
The "interpretation" that is applied to support it is that each disc side has its own disc id and can be profiled as a separate "film" according to the boxset rules. The fact that the manufacturer used both sides of a single disc as opposed to two separate discs is a simple choice of packaging, and packaging should not dictate how we profile something.
Pete has already cited the TV set Rules that support not creating two profiles. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Actually I disagree Martian... the TV Series Rules states to make the child profiler per each disc Under disc level profile. not each side. Actually, the rules state, "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired..." Note it says 'profiles', plural, not 'profile', singular. Ther rule goes on to say, "Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules..." When a feature exists on each side of a dual sided disc, we create a child profile for each side. That is how I read the rule. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Martian:
For EACH disc is consistent with the use of Profiles. It does not imply to create a profile for each side, it instead implies that there are more than one disc in a given set.. Whic BTW, is also consistent with our inability to properly handle Single Sided Multi-feature discs as well.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Except this is not a single-sided multi-feature disc, it is a multi-sided multi-feature disc. If we are talking 'consistent', we should handle these the same way we handle multi-sided multi-feature film discs. For those, we profile each side so, to be consistent, we should do the same here.
Beyond that, as I said before, that is how I read the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I am sure you know my friend that while I understand what you are saying, as when last this was discussed i still have the same problem, creating non-existent discs. I am trying to find a logical way to accept it, but I keep tripping up when I come to non-existent discs.<shrugs>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | That's the way we do it for the film when we have a different movies on each side (exemple : Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde 012569585928). Why would it be different for a TV serie if different episodes are present on each side of the disc? I really don't see a different situation here... |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm with the two-profilers here. While it may be a grammatical error, this is what the rules support as they refer to plural profiles for each disc as a profile. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well' I don't see anything that changes my assessment of the rules, I would kike to but...uh uh. I already desribed my read.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | The way you understand them isn't necessarily the way most people understand them. It doesn't make our interpretation wrong... | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Nor does it make your interpretation correct. Personally because of my involvement, I ll take my understanding over yours.I think I am in a better position to more correctly understand them. I am sure you don't like that AESP, but that is FACT. Now I have basically asked to be sold on your assessment and the best you can give me is what you said. Not even close to a convincing argument. This is one of the many reasons why I have all but stopped Contributing data, stupid logic like this that makes absolutely no sense, of course then are people who will say " piffle he is only one, we domn't have to convince him. Great attitude when I see that. So, if you have something to persuade me let's talk, but if that is the best you can do, I will tell you that you aren't correct and I don't care how many there are. Persuade me. Now for my Martian friend, you quite properly used "consistent" but in a somewhat short-sighted way. There are numerous differences between the handling of film Boxsets and TV Series. Now why would we do separate Profiles in film because of different ARs, different Audio data, different Production Year data and so forth. NONE of these issues apply to a TV Series, the data for a given TV Series will be the same throughout the Season with very rare possible exceptions. So the reasons for treating them exactly as we would a film do not exist, so why is it exactly that we need create a string non-existent discs. I don't support imaginary data EVER, I accept it in the film medium of the DS Multi Feature disc ONLY because of the data involved that is likely to be different from title to title, something which does not exist in a Double-Sided Multi Feature TV Series. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have always read it the same way Skip has... I always believed it to say profiles (plural) because we are talking about more then one disc in the set. That is how I always created them and how I always voted. Plus I never seen them go through with my no votes... So I have to continue the way I have been doing it on my creating and voting.
That being said... of course if Ken wants to make a statement that it is ok to profile per side instead of per disc I will of course happily change my view on it. | | | Pete |
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