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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's what we see on the cover - what's the title for contribution purposes?  When I check the the rules on title formatting, I don't see anything to imply that we copy this kind of "funky formatting" into DVD Profiler. Instead, the rules attempt to standardize this as much as possible. If - direct quote from the rules - "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not, then why wouldn't the same logic apply here: "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" is correctly capitalized. "kiss kIss bAng banG" is not. Certainly a quick check in the database shows that most people see it this way: there are 46 profiles with this exact title in the database. Out of those 46 profiles, a staggering 44 use "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", only one uses 'kiss kIss bAng banG', and then there's one using 'kiss kiss bang bang'. Note that the CLT counts these three differently capitalized variants as three different "titles", thereby incorrectly inflating/affecting the CLT counts for all of actors and crewmembers working on this film. So either two profiles need to have the title fixed, or the other 44 need changing... Which is it? |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see even more possibilities, the "ss" in the second kiss appears to be upper case as well (compare to "k").
So to avoid all the back and forth, go with standard capitalisation for the relevant language. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | I contributed 7321932829488 as kiss KISS bAng banG, but someone changed it to normal to be in line with other contributions. I didn't vote no on it, and just locked my local. But seeing Staid's post made me realize it should be kiss kISS bAng banG (for my local anyway  ) | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules say to "check capitalisation" and not to capitilise lower case joining words they do not say use standard capitalisation rules for covers but do elsewhere for other sections of a profile so, to me that is a clear distinction that needs to be applied. Since the rules don't tell us to change it from what is on the cover, unless it is all caps or all lower case I'd go with what is actually on the cover. The CLT is purely arbitrary it doesn't matter which is the most credited so long as they all get linked. There are other variants to this title based on what is actually on the cover as well so we don't change what we see just to help the irrelevant CLT.
Incidentally interesting cropping to remove the rating info. could this be because you don't own the UK locality (Which is the one you are trying to change) and, as such according to Ken, you should have clearly indicated this in the contribution notes? | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Out of those 46 profiles, a staggering 44 use "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", only one uses 'kiss kIss bAng banG', and then there's one using 'kiss kiss bang bang'. Note that the CLT counts these three differently capitalized variants as three different "titles", thereby incorrectly inflating/affecting the CLT counts for all of actors and crewmembers working on this film. So either two profiles need to have the title fixed, or the other 44 need changing... Which is it? A few of those don't have a cover anything like this one. What I suggest is that you change the disk you own to how you like it, submit that, then if the voters who also own the disk and the screeners agree, it goes like that in the database. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
The CLT is purely arbitrary it doesn't matter which is the most credited so long as they all get linked. The problem there is, as I already noted, that the CLT counts these three differently capitalized variants as three different "titles", thereby incorrectly inflating/affecting the CLT counts for all of actors and crewmembers working on this film. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
What I suggest is that you change the disk you own to how you like it, submit that, then if the voters who also own the disk and the screeners agree, it goes like that in the database. Which is exactly what I'm doing. |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The problem there is, as I already noted, that the CLT counts these three differently capitalized variants as three different "titles", thereby incorrectly inflating/affecting the CLT counts for all of actors and crewmembers working on this film. Yes but what does that matter? All the "credited as" is there for is to ensure that all appearances by a cast member get linked it has no significance. Quoting T!M: Quote:
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What I suggest is that you change the disk you own to how you like it, submit that, then if the voters who also own the disk and the screeners agree, it goes like that in the database.
Which is exactly what I'm doing. Sorry are you saying you own the UK locality disk? |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
Sorry are you saying you own the UK locality disk? Yes. EAN: 7-321900-829489. That's the one I own, and that's the only one I've submitted a change to. Not that it matters... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
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Sorry are you saying you own the UK locality disk?
Yes. EAN: 7-321900-829489. Then I apologise for my earlier comments about the picture. It's just most of your contributions are of disks you don't own and that picture which you uploaded to photobucket appears not to be of the UK locality cover. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
It's just most of your contributions are of disks you don't own and that picture which you uploaded to photobucket appears not to be of the UK locality cover. What makes you think that? Don't believe everything you read - certainly not around here.  Sure, that happens occasionally - note that Ken specifically allows us to do so - but certainly not as often as some would have you believe. The picture I posted here actually is from that particular disc - I just cropped it to the relevant part, since the question essentially applies to all profiles for this film using the same title image. The question is "bigger" than just this this one profile, than just this film, even. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
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It's just most of your contributions are of disks you don't own.
What makes you think that? Don't believe everything you read - certainly not around here. Sure, that happens occasionally - note that Ken specifically allows us to do so - but definitely not "most of my contributions". Ok just most that I vote on. Ken specifically allows it in certain circumstances. This, in my opinion is not one of those, he also said if the community felt it should stop he would consider doing something about it. The community did vote very strongly that it should stop but you apparently are not interested in the opinion of the community, so why have this vote which would only really have any relevance if you had posted it without your opinion in the first post? | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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you apparently are not interested in the opinion of the community, so why have this vote? Huh?! This poll is just that: I'm looking for the opinion of the community. It's very simple: I've submitted a contribution to one of my profiles, the votes on that contribution are somewhat divided, and as such, I came here to see how the community feels on the matter. That's all. I don't understand your desire to take such a simple question off-topic - I can only guess that since you don't agree with the preliminary poll results, you're looking for other reasons to dismiss the contribution. Alas, there aren't any... And as to why I included my opinion in the first post (like about 95% of all poll questions do, I might add - all irrelevant?): that's because I feel that 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' is the correct title for this per the rules. I'm honestly surprised - though I really shouldn't be surprised at anything anymore - at the fact that this is even an issue. I state my interpretation, you state yours. That's how it works. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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you apparently are not interested in the opinion of the community, so why have this vote?
Huh?! This poll is just that: I'm looking for the opinion of the community.
It's very simple: I've submitted a contribution to one of my profiles, the votes on that contribution are somewhat divided, and as such, I came here to see how the community feels on the matter. That's all. I don't understand your desire to take such a simple question off-topic - I can only guess that since you don't agree with the preliminary poll results, you're looking for other reasons to dismiss the contribution. Alas, there aren't any... If you value the opinion of the community then please accept their decison and stop contributing changes to disks you don't own? I do accept that I don't agree with the poll results. I think its a valid a reason that your first post could not be in any way described as fairly outlining the arguments for each of the voting options so any results would probably be heavily skewed. There has actually already been a preliminary vote in the proper place for votes such as these ie. the submissions process. Somehow I doubt we would be here if you hadn't lost that vote. It has already been voted on once before as well when the original title as you would have it was changed to the current as well by DaMikstar with clear notes to that effect. It was approved by the voters and the screeners. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
Somehow I doubt we would be here if you hadn't lost that vote. I haven't "lost that vote": the contribution's still pending. Obviously, I feel I'm right - as do you. That's what a difference of opinion is. To be more sure, I first checked how other profiles in the database handled it. It turns out that not a single other profile in the database uses 'kiss kIss bAng banG' - that seemed like a fairly big hint. But since that doesn't convince the no-voters, I started this poll. If it turns out that the community rather unanimously wants to copy this kind of "funky formatting" into DVD Profiler titles, then I'll withdraw my contribution and will have to change the way I deal with title capitalization for future contributions as well. I hope you'll do the same. Let me ask you this: since your argument is that " the rules say to "check capitalisation" and not to capitilise lower case joining words they do not say use standard capitalisation rules for covers", how do you deal with covers where the title is shown in ALL-CAPS? The rules don't address that either, so in those cases, do you just "check the capitalisation" and enter them in ALL-CAPS, too? If not: where do you base the distinction on? Why copy the exact capitalisation in this case, but not in the next one? If I follow your approach to the letter, I'm going to have to change HUGE numbers of titles... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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It's just most of your contributions are of disks you don't own and that picture which you uploaded to photobucket appears not to be of the UK locality cover.
What makes you think that? The picture does not show any UK rating which has to be on the front cover in the UK. The Title is "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" if you ask me. | | | Karsten
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