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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Okay, so I picked up this box set - 4 Film Favorites: John Wayne (UPC 085391174233). The parent profile is in the databases, but not the associated children.
Popiing the discs in my drive to add by disc ID, it picked up 4 already-created profiles. Seems this box set repackages 4 previously used disc IDs on two flipper discs. Downloaded those. Opened the parent, added these in the box set section. So far so good.
Seems the original releases of these disc IDs, three of them were for other flipper sets. So their individual profiles are listed by disc ID. However, the fourth (Operation Pacific) matches disc ID to a single disc release with a UPC. So it added the profile with the UPC.
I got only a single vote (seems not a lot of people own this set) - 'no' - with a note saying that it looked good except for that UPC, shouldn't it be added by disc ID. I didn't see the point in creating an entire new profile to submit by disc ID since the only thing that doesn't match is the packaging. So I updated my notes to let the screeners know that this is the profile that pulled up by disc ID.
It was declined. So, could someone tell me if I would need to create a disc ID profile for this film in the set if I wanted to resubmit the box set contents?
If so, where is this covered in the rules? I mean, it says use UPC where available. Now, sure, there's not a UPC for each film in this set, but there was one originally and this is just a repackage of that same disc ID... | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | The problem is, in the set that you have, the disc's do not have there own UPC.
You need to change the UPC to a disc ID, and verify that is part of the Box set.
Not having the profile myself, I must ask a question. You pulled the ID's from flipper sets, did you pull the Cover scans with them?
Unless they are actually packaged individually with there own cover (in the set you own), they need to have the cover of the parent. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Since these are re-releases, the individual profiles have to match the original release. That may mean that you are adding profiles that don't exactly match what is in your set. This is nothing new and I see not reason to create a new profile with the disc ID...though, I guess you could. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Charlie: Yes, I pulled the cover scans with them. Since these are all a rerelease, I felt the rules prohibited changing the covers. The parent profile has the image of the set in question.
The films in the set are: - The Flying Leathernecks / They Were Expendable - Back to Bataan / Operation Pacific
The Flying Leathernecks & They Were Expendable, with these disc IDs, were previously released in a flipper set together. This is obviously a repackage of the same disc, on both sides.
Back to Bataan was previously released as a flipper with Bataan. The same disc ID is used here for that side.
Operation Pacific was previously released as a single disc release. However, the disc ID on that side of the flipper matches the disc ID for the single disc release.
Unicus:
I agree with seeing no need to, though again, I guess it could be done. But since the only difference is the packaging, it seemed pointless. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | If i understand it you have 3 films which match existing Disc ID profiles and 1 film matching an existing UPC profile.
So you have to use the existing 3 Disc ID profiles for 3 films. I'd add the fourth by Disc ID. It may be a perfect duplicate of the existing UPC-based profile (have you checked that cast/crew?) but you can add the Cover Art and anything else unique into the DB. Unicus is correct that it isn't necessary, but i'd do it anyway. That's just me. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | As I said above (probably while you were typing, LOL) the disc ID matches the disc ID stored in the UPC profile. So it should match perfectly.
I suppose I could check cast/crew - we have a copy of the single disc release at the store, and I could borrow it on Thursday. But is there really a chance that the same disc ID will vary between releases? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I am not sure I understand.
Did the Disc ID's have associated art work, or the UPC's that those disc id's associated with? |
| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: As I said above (probably while you were typing, LOL) the disc ID matches the disc ID stored in the UPC profile. So it should match perfectly. If you have the same Disc ID then likely the info on the disc is the same, which doesn't mean it was transcribed into our DB correctly (that was my question). I'd verify and submit the Disc ID because it is unique (if only the Cover Art) to your four disc set. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Charlie - I'll try to explain better about the release & the art:
Parent: 4 Film Favorites: John Wayne (has UPC & artwork of the package I have) -- contains -- The Flying Leathernecks / They Were Expendable (flipper disc) Back to Bataan / Operation Pacific (flipper disc)
The Flying Leathernecks / They Were Expendable (disc IDs match previous release of exact same flipper) each profile has associated art work for the previous release no UPC for disc ID profiles (like this one, that UPC is with the parent)
Back to Bataan (disc ID matches previous flipper release of Bataan / Back to Bataan) has associated artwork for previous release again, no UPC for this disc ID, that's with the Bataan / Back to Bataan parent profile
Operation Pacific (disc ID matches previous single disc release, disc ID stored in UPC profile) has associated artwork for previous release has a UPC, since it was a single film release (but has disc ID stored in that field, that's how it was pulled up by inserting the disc)
Make sense now? Or am I still unclear? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I looked at it.
the online is kind of stuck wth the artwork for They were expendable and Flying leathernecks, for they were part of a boxset of War Double feature
Also Back to Bataan, the online is stuck with. Operation Pacific is open for disc id profile
In this case, the box set needs four Disc id's children . I would create the boxset and submit the parent and the 1 disc level profile for operation pacific. then change they artwork (if you desire) in your local to match what you have.
parent 085391174233 (contribute, with the following in boxset field) Children 6e09-3d23-7f9f-934f (They were Expendable) 839c-4733-69do-6b3f (Flying Leathernecks) E8ae-422a-039c-7c11 (Back to Bataan) Disc ID (Operation Pacific) (contribute) (image of parent) |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Okay, so if I have to add it by disc ID, is there a way to delete the UPC from the profile that I have for Operation Pacific? Since I already have a perfectly good profile for the film I don't want to have to create an entirely new profile simply to be able to submit to the online the box set contents. If I can delete the UPC from the profile I have and then simply submit by disc ID I'll go ahead and submit the contents of the box to the online. Otherwise, if I have to create a whole new profile (much like the covers I've already swapped out) I'll just keep them local. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | All you would have to do is go to the profile... put the DVD in your rom... click DVD --> Change UPC. There you have the option to change the UPC to the Disc ID of the disc in your rom.
I of course would suggest double checking the info against your DVD before submitting it. | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | this is actually common (and probably getting more so as I saw two upcoming 4 Film favorites, one for blade and I forget the other)
Lethal Weapon has a set like this Jean-Claude Van Damme has a set like this Steven Segal has a set like this Sylvester Stallone has a set like this
with Stallone and Segal I'm pretty sure that the titles were, in addition to being released individually, also released in 2 packs (1 keep case with a flipper disc one movie per side)
With Lethal Weapon, there also exists a set that has just 1-3 (which was released first)
all the disc ID's of these match those of the individual release. The child profiles for these boxes however are all done by disc ID (there is no upc so its not available to add that way) The leathal weapon 3 pack and 4 pack share the first three profiles but the cover art reflects the triple feature. The 4 film matches a not for resale copy of the 4th movie so it's cover art matches that. As you stated, per the rules it needs to stay this way, but locally you can change it to the 4-pack. I personally changed these to the cover art of the individual release because I think it's nicer than having 5 of the same covers.
I know there wasn't a direct answer but hopefully that gives you some info (and other profiles you can check to see how they are done if you want)
-Agrare |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | This is very common with companies like Mill Creek (and BCI before it went belly-up) that release these packages of 4 or 10 or 20 or 50 movies. They then rerelease them in a variety of combinations, often with the same disc ID, trying to figure out new ways to get people to buy the same movies. The only solution is to attach the disc IDs (removing the UPC as mentioned above) to the new one and submit. My own taste is to attach the correct art to the discs and then lock them (not contributing them), but YMMV. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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