I have done this a few times myself after I have found that cast & crew from a film have been entirely copied from IMDB or left blank. I don't have a problem with people who own a film correcting multiple profiles as I think this is the only way the database will be cleaned up and 1 person doing it will save  other users a lot of work.

How can anybody verify the contents (regardless of what contents) without the actual DVD. Case in point "Cars" one on the characters voices in the film is a totally different actor for the UK side of the pond compared to the US side.

So any member blantantly changing details of DVD's they don't actually own should be called out, and have their contribution rights suspended or even withdrawn.

Steve

I did't partisipated in this vote but I have something to share...

I have been using some time investigating an Czech actor called Jaroslav Vízner.
I dont want to get into the everlasting discussion about the use of í vs i but as those two letters are not equal in the database the person Vízner and Visner becomes two different persons.

When adding actors to a profile with my keybord I would easily just punch in the Vizner and the crew tool gives me only one actor to choose from, the Vízner actor is now not even accessable, (this I hope that Ken could change and maybe everybody should have an master base downloaded from Invelso from time to time with all actors in base so that sloppy punch errors also could have been avoided)

For all profiles that I own I have now changed this name so it can be searchable over borders...
But this would only change the CLT count by tiny persentage, I think that to realy make some changes I have to change the profiles for other countries of this title also. (for the record: something I have not done but I must say it is tempting)

I cant realy se how this could backfire as in all my profiles the endcredits are in Capital letters and the only way it could be credited othervise is if they have changed this in the credits for other country wich is not very likely is it (the only problem in this would also be that i becomes an í) ,  so VIZNER and VÍZNER becomes Vízner and nothing else.


My point is that not everything is Black and White and common sence could be used (please dont smack down on common sence as you belive you are the only sencible person  )
If the contributor states all his investigation in the contribution notes and the voters agree I realy dont see the harm...

Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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All of your choices say essentially the same thing.

Sorry could not think of any other way of putting it, I'll try to explain
If you owned a particular film on DVD say for arguments sake "Serpico"
Option 1 would mean you could change all Profiles for this film in the database for everything Sound/Aspect ratio/Features
Option 2 would mean you could change all Profiles for this film in the database for Cast/Crew only
Option 3 would mean you should only make changes to the Profile for that particular DVD you own

have to admit i thought option 2 would get more support as i think this would make more corrections to common names than it would add errors but as Skip says there are the odd occasion were DVDs credits differ i have three different versions of The Fifth Element and one of them does have slightly different credits to the others.

Quoting oleops:

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I did't partisipated in this vote but I have something to share...

I have been using some time investigating an Czech actor called Jaroslav Vízner.
I dont want to get into the everlasting discussion about the use of í vs i but as those two letters are not equal in the database the person Vízner and Visner becomes two different persons.

When adding actors to a profile with my keybord I would easily just punch in the Vizner and the crew tool gives me only one actor to choose from, the Vízner actor is now not even accessable, (this I hope that Ken could change and maybe everybody should have an master base downloaded from Invelso from time to time with all actors in base so that sloppy punch errors also could have been avoided)

For all profiles that I own I have now changed this name so it can be searchable over borders...
But this would only change the CLT count by tiny persentage, I think that to realy make some changes I have to change the profiles for other countries of this title also. (for the record: something I have not done but I must say it is tempting)

I cant realy se how this could backfire as in all my profiles the endcredits are in Capital letters and the only way it could be credited othervise is if they have changed this in the credits for other country wich is not very likely is it (the only problem in this would also be that i becomes an í) ,  so VIZNER and VÍZNER becomes Vízner and nothing else.


My point is that not everything is Black and White and common sence could be used (please dont smack down on common sence as you belive you are the only sencible person  )
If the contributor states all his investigation in the contribution notes and the voters agree I realy dont see the harm...

VÍZNER is nit Visner IF he is not credited that way On Screen, it's the data  and your version of common sense has nothing to do with it. This why we have a linking system, If the credit reads Vizner that is what you enter PERIOD, if you can document that Visner=VÍZNER=Vizner or whateber provide the documentation to back it up and use the common Name.

The harm comes when you don't follow the Rules, and start operating on your own following whatever you believe is correct instead of the data. That affects the data that everyone is trying to use and all it takes is one bad user with a large collection to muck things up for the rest of the Community.

Skip

Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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As I have said before, however, after a brief period of personal expeerimentation with this over a year ago. It was quickly discovered that while it is perfectly a rational conclusion to  believe that a given film has one credit list and it is presented in that form everywhere; the reality is quite another matter entirely. My intial experimentation indicated that at least 99% this conclusion would in all likelihood correct, there is at least 1% where there may not only be different credit lists for a given film but different lists even from one DVD release to the next. Granted these are RARE, but they DO happen and after reaching that conclusiobn i quickly terminated the experiment, though someone else is actively pursuing it, and i would argue that he is helping the Communiy the vast majority of the time, there are some errors which he will introduce into the system and those errors far outweigh any good which he may be doing.

I've been tempted to do this recently myself, but recall an old thread showing different cast credits in thee same film from different regions, which has stopped me. So far I've only done multiple profiles if I own multiple copies of the same film (They Live, Prince of Darkness, Return of the Living Dead 3, etc.), and even then have double checked the credits on each after copying the cast and crew profile from the one I did first.

What about those threads where everyone chips in (checks some credits) to find the common name? Should we start asking for the region and UPC of what disc is checked since some may vary, or go with the 99% odds?
That's the only thing keeping me from saying that once all titles/names are confirmed, everything should be edited in the master database to reflect those and establish the common name from there on out. Especially true for sound crew, who often have at least 3 variations of their name from movie to movie.

I've done this multiple times, and I can see why you don't feel confident in having it this way. But the reason I do it, is simply because a rommate owns them, and this person is not sure how to contribute. This person also don't writeread english very well and is a dyslectic. So I add the films to my local db or import the other persons local db, edit the profile and contribute. So I actually do have the DVD, but I haven't added it to my online collection.

So I really think it should be enough to have the DVD, etc. I don't see why you actually have to own it.

I see, Forget, and I totally agree. I can't say I like this.