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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
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| Posted: | | | | Whenever I've seen him, I've always thought of it as David//Ogden Stiers & my opinion agrees with your interpretation of the info. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote: Whenever I've seen him, I've always thought of it as David//Ogden Stiers & my opinion agrees with your interpretation of the info. Agreed. If "the son of Margaret Elizabeth (née Ogden) and Kenneth Truman Stiers" doesn't ring double last name to us, then I'm starting to feel there's no point in any attempt at "correct" parsing anymore. If this doesn't qualify, then what does? |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | You can't just assume that it's a double name based on mother's maiden name, though.(*)
One of the linked cites quotes from what "appears to be an official bio" and it just uses "Stiers."
http://davidogdenstiers.com/bio/index.shtml
So I'm inclined to go "Stiers" absent something compelling.
(*) Personal example: my grandfather's name was Ray Jackman Colby; his mother's maiden name was Jackman. But his last name was Colby, not Jackman Colby. Granted, that's how names worked from 90 years ago, but Stiers (!) isn't a youngster either. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with gardibolt. All those sites seem to refer to him as Stiers rather than Ogden Stiers. So until better information is presented, I would also go with David/Ogden/Stiers. | | | My Home Theater |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Mentions an alternate name of David Stiers Certainly not in our database, as per a quick CLT check. Quoting xradman: Quote: until better information is presented, I would also go with David/Ogden/Stiers. I'll repeat what I said earlier: if this doesn't qualify, what does? Can you name ten examples of double last names that you feel do belong in together in the "last name" field? If that's as difficult as I'm starting to expect, why then are we still HAVE two possible methods of entries? If it's really that rare as some people would have us believe, why doesn't Ken just eliminate the possibility at all? As it is, parsing seems to serve no other purpose here than to keep separate, non-linking dual entries for literally EVERY three-piece name out there - David Ogden Stiers being no exception. So at this point, I'd really like to have some of the D/O/S voters share with us a few real-life examples from our database where the "last name" field actually should contain a double last name. I'm really curious to see which names WOULD qualify. Heck: a pinned thread might even be a good idea - except if no more than one or two examples turn up, of course. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | With David/Ogden/Stiers, that's saying "Ogden" is his middle name which isn't the case. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | So let's see Favid Ogden Stiers was born in Peoria ILL, so why are we trying to apply European naming conventions to him. Those thinking D//OS may be correct, we simply don't have adequate information, being an American it could go either way. Maybe there is an uinterview somewhere that might make reference to Mr Ogden Stiers or Mr. Stiers.
Unlike Europe, America has no naming convention that dictates the parsing of a name, it is up to the individual, short of some evidence to the contrary, such as an interview or a communication from the actor, I would parse him as D/O/S and be done with it. That is in fact the way i handle him.
Once again this is simply about film credits NOT family trees.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: With David/Ogden/Stiers, that's saying "Ogden" is his middle name which isn't the case. Bold statement, Doc. Are you, David. I didn't see anything that indicates that be true, yet you categorically state it is true...on what basis. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: With David/Ogden/Stiers, that's saying "Ogden" is his middle name which isn't the case. How do you know that isn't the case? His middle name could have been Ogden to honor his mother's maiden name rather than being a double last name. | | | My Home Theater |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Once again this is simply about film credits NOT family trees. <sigh> Let us, for once, keep this discussion sane by leaving this out of it. For once and for all: credits that say DAVID OGDEN STIERS tell you nothing about parsing. So please let's not go there? Please? It won't help your point of view, just as it won't help mine. It's just completely irrelevant. The credits don't help us out here at all. |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: With David/Ogden/Stiers, that's saying "Ogden" is his middle name which isn't the case. I, for one, didn't say Ogden was his middle name. I said it wasn't his last name Quoting Dr. Pavlov: Quote: Maybe there is an uinterview somewhere that might make reference to Mr Ogden Stiers or Mr. Stiers. I was looking for the former but didn't find one. It's reasonably well known Roger Ebert and Stiers went to school together. Here's something written by Ebert ( http://www.asimovs.com/_issue_0501/thoughtexperiments.shtml) referring to "my classmate Dave Stiers, who later became David Ogden Stiers of M*A*S*H" | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote: Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
Quote: With David/Ogden/Stiers, that's saying "Ogden" is his middle name which isn't the case. How do you know that isn't the case? His middle name could have been Ogden to honor his mother's maiden name rather than being a double last name. Same question: can you give some examples of three-piece names (not articles, mind you) where you WOULD parse the last two into the "last name" field? Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm honestly currious. Does that situation even exist, as far as you're concerned? |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: For once and for all: credits that say DAVID OGDEN STIERS tell you nothing about parsing. Sure they do. Barring evidence to the contrary, two spaces, two slashes: David/Ogden/Stiers | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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