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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | [A door is pushed open, scuffling steps near from behind.]
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Good evening, Sirs,
contributing the Feature 'Closed Captioned' is not possible to me.
If it is the only change, invelos refuses the contribution with
"There were no changes detected in the contribution from the latest accepted profile."
Among other changes, the addition of 'Closed Captioned' is suppressed.
Can someone confirm this? Maybe already a known bug?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edit: Re-tested & the others are correct. Against an R2 profile they're not contributed but against an R1 they are. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | From previous posts by you, I suspect that you live in a R2/PAL country. Closed Captioning is not possible on PAL discs and are stripped out of the contribution because of this. | | | 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
[A door is pushed open, scuffling steps near from behind.]
[Heavily breathing.] If this is what you are talking about, those aren't CC, they are called SDH (subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing). Some old german translation-file unfortunately mixed those two totally different things up. CC is a process to embed a subtitle into the picture information similar to "Videotext". Quote:
contributing the Feature 'Closed Captioned' is not possible to me. It is always advisable to exactly state on which profile this problem appears. Because, as reybr already suggested, if you try this on a PAL DVD, everything goes as wanted. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since this is a PAL/NTSC issue, the R1/R2 filter may actually be incorrect. Japan is R2/NTSC. Probably not noticed very much, since the lack of support of characters will discourage Japanese users in the first place? | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Since this is a PAL/NTSC issue, the R1/R2 filter may actually be incorrect. Japan is R2/NTSC. Probably not noticed very much, since the lack of support of characters will discourage Japanese users in the first place? If that's the issue then it should be easily solved by changing the filter to be based on either video format or locality. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
From previous posts by you, I suspect that you live in a R2/PAL country. Closed Captioning is not possible on PAL discs and are stripped out of the contribution because of this. I do not feel satisfied yet. Wikipedia describes Closed captioning as "several systems developed to display text on a television or video screen to provide additional or interpretive information to viewers who wish to access it." " Several systems" - would you say this definition is incorrect? Then: "For all types of NTSC programming, captions are "encoded" into Line 21 of the vertical blanking interval"... "Captioning is transmitted and stored differently in PAL and SECAM countries, where teletext is used rather than Line 21"... Is captioning never closed, when 'teletext' is used instead of 'line 21'? If a NTSC DVD has "Captions: English (captioned)", are the subtitles closed? Or, where is the difference between unclosed english 'Captions' and spanish 'Subtitles' on the same DVD? Do NTSC-DVDs use the teletext-system, if their Captions and/or Subtitles are not closed? If a PAL-DVD uses the teletext-system instead of line21-system, and has the [CC]-Symbol, it's still not closed? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Teletext has nothing to do with DVD. It's just a news/info service that's provided through the TV system. Page 888 of that carries subtitles for TV programs & films that are being broadcast.
The way I read the info on Wikipedia is that subtitles & closed captions are coded differently onto the DVD & PAL DVD titles don't use that particular method of coding. The equivalent would be SDH (Subtitles for the Deaf and hard of Hearing) but they are just that, subtitles & not CC.
Do you have any example EAN for PAL titles that show the CC logo? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Do you have any example EAN for PAL titles that show the CC logo? The european Star Trek: Deep Space Nine DVDs show the CC logo at the begin of each episode but that's because it encoded in the video stream. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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Do you have any example EAN for PAL titles that show the CC logo?
The european Star Trek: Deep Space Nine DVDs show the CC logo at the begin of each episode but that's because it encoded in the video stream. Thanks. I just tested and confirmed DS9 season 2 disc 1, episode "Homecoming" with PowerDVD & that doesn't have CC -  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's fine, bbb. Does it apply to the Episodes on THAT particular disc as well? There are as many as four episodes on a disc. Since at this point in time since we cannot completely breakdown to the Episode level, if the other three episodes do use CC then that is the end of that song. In Region 1 US nearly ALL Paramount titles use CC, even today, when most Distributors have moved to English SDH.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 51 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Do you have any example EAN for PAL titles that show the CC logo? I only know of the Metallica: S&M DVD with the UPC 085364021823. This DVD is for all regions except region 1 and features the CC-Logo from the National Captioning Institute on the front as well as on the back cover. mfg Speedy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Wikipedia describes Closed captioning as ... Two resposes: 1) Wikipedia is not always right... 2) It doesn't matter what Wikipedia says if the rules say different as far as DVDP is concerned; for DVDP purposes CC is the specific system ONLY. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
The way I read the info on Wikipedia is that subtitles & closed captions are coded differently onto the DVD & PAL DVD titles don't use that particular method of coding. The equivalent would be SDH (Subtitles for the Deaf and hard of Hearing) but they are just that, subtitles & not CC.
Do you have any example EAN for PAL titles that show the CC logo? Yes. 5050582050417:  Which information does Closed Captioning usually display? A transcription of the audio portion of a program as it occurs including non-speech elements just like Subtitles for the Deaf and hard of Hearing? Is it possible to display Closed Captions from a NTSC-DVD using region-free PAL-equipment? Perhaps my small brain would understand CC better if it could see the difference to SDH through its own eyes. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | From what i Understand. Closed captioning in the US, and I think Canada, actually require special equipment decode. That equipment was mandated into tv's and other devices long ago, and DVD's pass the entire NTSC signal to the TV.
If what I understand, European countries use Teletext for their broadcast, which is equivalent to our Closed captioning for broadcast. Although I think they use the equivalent of SDH for their recorded media. I think there are 2 options for 1 of the languages on the disc. The first one is standard subtitles (translating of the spoken word) and the second option which gives the audio cues with it. I do not think, for PAL systems there is an equivalent of US Closed Captioning for recorded media. |
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