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Credit Lookup Tool, common names, and contributions
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
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More and more contributions are including "credited as" with no documentation other than the CLT. Shouldn't every profile submission using "credited as" document the connection between names, prior to using the CLT to find a common name? This would provide a permanent record of the need to use this feature in the profile for these names.

My no vote to these submissions is not an attack, or belittling the effort put into the profile. Without documentation in the contribution notes I cannot justify voting for these updates.

I know Ken stated that "small" errors would not keep a submission from being accepted, but I can't consider potentially linking two different people as the same person (based solely on similarity of names) as small.
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Agree with you 100%.
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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!! If adequate documentation all the way around is not provided I will vote No, ALWAYS.

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Quoting greyghost:
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More and more contributions are including "credited as" with no documentation other than the CLT. Shouldn't every profile submission using "credited as" document the connection between names, prior to using the CLT to find a common name? This would provide a permanent record of the need to use this feature in the profile for these names.

My no vote to these submissions is not an attack, or belittling the effort put into the profile. Without documentation in the contribution notes I cannot justify voting for these updates.

I know Ken stated that "small" errors would not keep a submission from being accepted, but I can't consider potentially linking two different people as the same person (based solely on similarity of names) as small.


That's exactly how I see it.

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Cool. Thank you.

So how do we use this? I looked up Barbra Streisand (260 hits) and Barbara Streisand (15 hits). So I just state in my contribution notes that I looked it up in this lookup, state the results, and we're done with documentation?


In general, yes.  There will be cases that require a bit more perusing to make sure there aren't false matches.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
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There is currently a submission for Barton Fink, using the "method" for a crew member. Mine is the only NO vote. Crew are especially difficult to reverse; at least with cast, screen shots might be used to show the credited as is incorrect.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Cool. Thank you.

So how do we use this? I looked up Barbra Streisand (260 hits) and Barbara Streisand (15 hits). So I just state in my contribution notes that I looked it up in this lookup, state the results, and we're done with documentation?


In general, yes.  There will be cases that require a bit more perusing to make sure there aren't false matches.

I think this is what greyghost is after, and I agree.  Far too many people are assuming instead of perusing.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
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Thank You, Unicus.

Yes, and the person submitting should be the one to peruse and document. I've seen other "voters" provide documentation within their reason to support otherwise undocumented changes. Of course this "documentation" disappears after approval or rejection of the submission.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Cool. Thank you.

So how do we use this? I looked up Barbra Streisand (260 hits) and Barbara Streisand (15 hits). So I just state in my contribution notes that I looked it up in this lookup, state the results, and we're done with documentation?


In general, yes.  There will be cases that require a bit more perusing to make sure there aren't false matches.

I think this is what greyghost is after, and I agree.  Far too many people are assuming instead of perusing.

Then again: the "In general, yes." comment is equally interesting - it's just what part you you bold, isn't it? You're trying to turn the exception in Ken's comment into the norm, and that's decidedly not what he said.
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Then again: the "In general, yes." comment is equally interesting - it's just what part you you bold, isn't it? You're trying to turn the exception in Ken's comment into the norm, and that's decidedly not what he said.

So, for you, when does the exception kick in?

I treat most of my submissions as exceptions and make sure they are documented.  The short list of actors (i always document crew) who are known by sight at least get a time hack for when they are on screen.

If i'm voting on a change like this and i don't know who the person is there needs to be some supporting info if i'm going to vote Yes.

Some day when the database results are actually trustworthy this will still be the case.
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If I don't see documentation I vote no... no matter who it is. When I contribute... just because I know someone doesn't mean that person is known by everyone... so I document it. When I vote... pretty much anything beyond superstar is unknown to me... so if there is no documentation I can't say it is right or wrong so I  vote no since they are not supporting their contribution.
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Then again: the "In general, yes." comment is equally interesting - it's just what part you you bold, isn't it? You're trying to turn the exception in Ken's comment into the norm, and that's decidedly not what he said.

How did I turn it into the norm?  There are people who, seem to, believe that all they have to do is enter the name into the CLT and pick the one with the highest number.  Well, according to Ken, that isn't always the case.  All I did, with my post, is point that out.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Well, according to Ken, that isn't always the case.  All I did, with my post, is point that out.

Not always, no. But, quoting Ken, "In general, yes." That's all I wanted to point out.
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Until the Credits in each and every profile are 100% accurate noobody should take the CLT for accurate, as it shows sqewd results from mined data.

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it shows sqewd results from mined data.

That certainly is true: one should never take the CLT numbers on face value - you really have to work with what you're shown to determine what REALLY is the most-credited form.
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But acording to the rules you should enter the real name, where this differs from the credited name, and you should use the CLT to see what the real name is. These two don't always match, so I'm not sure what to go with, the real name, or the most used name.

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Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.

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To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.
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