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Tales from the Crypt Credits Question |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should William M. Gaines get a writing credit? The reason I ask is because his credit reads "As Originally Published By William M. Gaines" and then it lists the E.C. Comics series it was published in. Right now in the database we have "Original Material By" and "Original Characters By" credited to Mr. Gaines, which I feel it should be neither and am tempted to remove. What is your opinion? | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmmm. Have to think about this.
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| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | IIRC, he created the Crypt Keeper, no?
And isn't the Crypt Keeper in each episode? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mighty Mike: Quote:
Should William M. Gaines get a writing credit? The reason I ask is because his credit reads "As Originally Published By William M. Gaines" and then it lists the E.C. Comics series it was published in. Right now in the database we have "Original Material By" and "Original Characters By" credited to Mr. Gaines, which I feel it should be neither and am tempted to remove. What is your opinion? Based on what you've said (and I have no other information) "Writer" would not be correct. The "Writer" or "Written By" credit means that the individual wrote both the Story and the Screenplay. For clarification, is there a "Screenwriter" credit in the film? Any other Writing credits? If so, then I'd say Gaines gets an OMB credit (and not an OCB credit, since "characters" is not mentioned anywhere in the credit you cited). | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | On second thought, just because he published the Comic, doesn't mean he actually wrote anything.
I'd remove the credit. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | For clarification there is a screenwriter credit to whoever adapted the comics to screen as well as the credit I previously mentioned for William Gaines. To me from the way he is credited on the show, he is just a publisher. Would have been a lot easier if HBO had credited it this way, "As Originally Published By E.C. Comics." | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ugh, this is a pain. William Gaines most certainly was the publisher of E.C. Comics. He was also the primary story editor and often times writer. To put it differently, without Bill Gaines, there would be no E.C. Comics, both literally and stylistically, as it was his vision that set the tone for the entire imprint. Now, how the heck that gets credited is beyond me.  | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Looks like "Created by" to me. 'Course, "As Originally Published By" is not in the Credits table. |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
On second thought, just because he published the Comic, doesn't mean he actually wrote anything.
I'd remove the credit. As I'm sure some of you have seen, I've been audited the child discs for most of these season sets and noticed that only season 2 gave him a credit (it was one of 3 that had any crew, seasons 2-6). I have removed him as I feel the same way as hal, publishing doesn't mean he wrote it (even though he probably did write some if not many). I'd say it's either no credit, or proof he wrote that story in the original comics. If proven, then an OMB for each episode he wrote the OM. I'd bet there's an in-depth fan site out there with all the info, or if any one has those complete series reprint sets and wants to look them up, that would be super-cool! Kinda glad this thread didn't come up a few days ago, it was long enough filling in so much crew and correcting casts, finding "credited as" proof links, etc. This would've been even more look-up horror.  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I've got the EC Companion on my bookshelf which lists everything they ever printed. What I don't have is any of these season sets, so I have no idea which stories they've adapted. If anybody cares that much they can shoot me a list and I'll look it up. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think it should be removed. he is merely the publicher of the comics, not their creator. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
I think it should be removed. he is merely the publicher of the comics, not their creator. Actually, from what I have read, he was the creator as well as the publisher. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean anything as 'Publisher' isn't a writing credit. Needless to say, I agree that it should be removed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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I think it should be removed. he is merely the publicher of the comics, not their creator.
Actually, from what I have read, he was the creator as well as the publisher. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean anything as 'Publisher' isn't a writing credit. Needless to say, I agree that it should be removed. From what I understand is that William Gaines was the creator of the different horror series at E.C. Comics due to declining sales of Educational Comics. While on the subject a bio-pic is in the works about Gaines and as of right now it supposed to be directed by John Landis and it is called Ghoulishly Yours, Wiliam M. Gaines. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Well, I've got the EC Companion on my bookshelf which lists everything they ever printed. What I don't have is any of these season sets, so I have no idea which stories they've adapted. If anybody cares that much they can shoot me a list and I'll look it up. I'm half-tempted to do this, but aren't sure if they are the same titles. I would guess some are and some others aren't, which would be even more confusing. Now if the original comics just say "created by" and not "written" anyway, then while it's probable that Gaines wrote most, it still wouldn't be proven. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, the book I'm referring to is a researched history of EC, including all the actual writers and artists...at least the ones who could be confirmed. Be that as it may, it raises another issue. Why would we credit Gaines for OMB and not other authors, if we're basing this on an outside source? I think at that point, we tread on the ground of uncredited crew which suggests that we should scrap the whole idea. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Actually, the book I'm referring to is a researched history of EC, including all the actual writers and artists...at least the ones who could be confirmed. Be that as it may, it raises another issue. Why would we credit Gaines for OMB and not other authors, if we're basing this on an outside source? I think at that point, we tread on the ground of uncredited crew which suggests that we should scrap the whole idea. I was thinking about that too, and the best answer I can come up with is this: Only William Gaines is mentioned in the credits. When someone isn't mentioned, they shouldn't be credited, or else it will be a horror-show of uncredited "OMB". How many movies are based off books or poems or plays without any "based on" or "originally by" credits? Yikes! It's probably best to just remove the credit from all seasons and films. |
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