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Rule Refinement: List of Episodes MUST be added for TV series overview |
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 | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 |  Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | TV Series on DVD rules Quote:
Overviews: Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed "Notes" field. I suggest that this be changed to " must also be added". Why? Because a contribution was rejected on what appears to solely be due to my not including (well, more correctly, for removing) the episode list -- for reasons that I explained -- before submitting. Although there may have been another reason for which I was not told, there were no other types of objections by voters to my submission other than that fact ..... But if the episode list is only optional then it shouldn't be a deciding factor either way. Since that seems to be how members expect it, then this rule change will fix that. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
I say leave it as is. ... Only removing an existing is not okay. I agree with this. If there's an episode list already in the Overview, I would not agree with the removal unless there was a very good reason, like it was the wrong episodes. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think its fine as is. And certainly not high on the prority list
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Blair76: Quote:
TV Series on DVD rules
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Overviews: Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed "Notes" field.
I suggest that this be changed to "must also be added".
Why? Because a contribution was rejected on what appears to solely be due to my not including (well, more correctly, for removing) the episode list -- for reasons that I explained -- before submitting. Although there may have been another reason for which I was not told, there were no other types of objections by voters to my submission other than that fact ..... But if the episode list is only optional then it shouldn't be a deciding factor either way.
Since that seems to be how members expect it, then this rule change will fix that. I don't think it needs to be change at all. Changing it would force people to enter an episode list whether they want to or not. That is something we should not force on users. That being said, based on your explanation, your contribution was declined because you were removing valid data. Yes, the rules do say that "a simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview," but that only means you don't have to add one when you contribute. It does not, however, mean you can remove it. Once any 'optional' data is accepted, assuming it is correct, it can't be removed with the claim that it isn't required. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules should not be wishy/washy if possible, either none or must.
Personally I would go with must, with dates id they are provided by the distributor. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | What were the reasons for removal? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote:
The rules should not be wishy/washy if possible, either none or must.
Personally I would go with must, with dates id they are provided by the distributor. With that reasoning you also are targeting the uncredited cast rule: "Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries." This means, this should be changed to either having to include all uncredited actors, or leaving them off completely. I say, leave both as is. Strange how part of the rules, which worked for a long time now, are suddenly put into question. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Isn't it though, Tom. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Blair76:
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TV Series on DVD rules
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Overviews: Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed "Notes" field.
I suggest that this be changed to "must also be added".
Why? Because a contribution was rejected on what appears to solely be due to my not including (well, more correctly, for removing) the episode list -- for reasons that I explained -- before submitting. Although there may have been another reason for which I was not told, there were no other types of objections by voters to my submission other than that fact ..... But if the episode list is only optional then it shouldn't be a deciding factor either way.
Since that seems to be how members expect it, then this rule change will fix that.
I don't think it needs to be change at all. Changing it would force people to enter an episode list whether they want to or not. That is something we should not force on users.
That being said, based on your explanation, your contribution was declined because you were removing valid data. Yes, the rules do say that "a simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview," but that only means you don't have to add one when you contribute. It does not, however, mean you can remove it. Once any 'optional' data is accepted, assuming it is correct, it can't be removed with the claim that it isn't required. I agree with everything Unicus has said. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also agree with Unicus post, nothing to add here  | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | W0m6at | | You're in for it now Tony |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think leave it as it is. Some shows don't list episode titles, but have made up/agreed titles listed on third-party sites, and I don't like anything that requires a third-party site to be used. Then there are shows that have episode titles which officially are "Episode 1", "Episode 2" where listing the titles is somewhat pointless. Also, I'll sometimes do profiles when I've watched none or only some of a series... if I have to watch it to get the titles, often that will mean spoiling the beginning, so I for one would contribute less if it went from optional to mandatory. Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
Only removing an existing is not okay. I think that's fair enough. | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a somewhat related question... I have a disc that list the episodes on the cover, and also lists them in the menu. One of the episodes is called "A Man's Path" on the cover, but "The Man's Path" in the menu. I'm guessing the menu takes priority over the packaging, but what do you think? | | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Broven: Quote:
On a somewhat related question... I have a disc that list the episodes on the cover, and also lists them in the menu. One of the episodes is called "A Man's Path" on the cover, but "The Man's Path" in the menu. I'm guessing the menu takes priority over the packaging, but what do you think? Is either listed in the episode on screen credits? If so i'd use that as the tie-breaker. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,195 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think any data except title is optional in DVD Profiler but that doesn't mean you are free to remove them once entered.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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