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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why post here?
Surely a no vote and comment would suffice | | |  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
contribution note reads:
Quote:
Removed Costume Supervisor (who did not Designed the Costumes); http://www.imdb.com/Glossary/C#costume_supervisor
Removed Special Effects Assistants and Technicians; http://www.imdb.com/Glossary/S#sfx
and removes those for personal preference. I personally never add Costume Supervisors. Mainly because I think that Costume Designer should be that and that alone....and we should only add the other stuff in the ABSENCE of a Costume Designer credit. As for the Assistants and Technicians - I have to agree with the contributer. The rules state "including Designer, Supervisor and Director". I have taken this to mean that these are the principal people to credit. Having said that I probably wouldn't remove them from an already accepted contribution. As a final note: This sort of situation is why I'm close to keeping everything local. While I applaud Ken for giving us these new Crew entries (many of which people have been asking for for years), I think the implementation of these Crew has been handled dreadfully. I think the rules should have been updated and clarified BEFORE the new crew were ever made available. Personally I have absolutely no intention of ever adding a hairdresser, 'gowns' or SFX Technician etc to my local database. Therefore I can no longer state that I am doing 'full audits' on my titles - something I always prided myself on doing. Instead I am adding what I want and doing more frequent backups. One of the benefits of this program is the 'user built' database; but now that database if full of absolute rubbish. I do not want half of the data that is in the online database and never will. Therefore, the online database is becoming more and more useless to me. And from there I think...what's the point of contributing. Obviously all of the above is simple how I feel about things. I LOVE this program and will continue to use it. I just think I'm close to ignoring all profile updates and keeping my work to myself.   | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Pantheon on all counts! |
| | Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Totally agree with Pantheon |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I agree with Pantheon on all counts! So do I. I am experimenting with contributing. Unfortunaly, i am finding that users are allowing all kinds of undocumented data into the database, be BY data, (uncredited) whatever. And then they try and treat this undocumented data like some sort of sacred cow. Undocumented data is GARBAGE and should be removed, it NEVER should have gotten into the database to begin withj. IF you want it then DOCUMENT it. No Documentation you should expect someone someday to REMOVE the garbage. I do not subscribe to the sacred cow theory and never will, if you want BY data, DOCUMENT it, if you want Common Name data DOCUMENT it, if you want (uncredited) DOCUMENT it and NOT just by copying an OLD PROFILE. Any data has to be documented, or eventually thrown out. I am seeing way too many Profiles with changes that have been made based on THIN AIR. Maybe I need to reconsider my participation. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Removal of correct data just because it is undocumented is also not an improvement of the database. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then document the data, hal, it is not an improvement to the database to allow laziness. If you cann't document it or woin't then stop trying to create an IMDb clone filled with tons of useless, inaccurate data, simply bercause you and others are too laqzy to do it right. Your sacred cow is pure BS. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Then document the data, hal, it is not an improvement to the database to allow laziness. If you cann't document it or woin't then stop trying to create an IMDb clone filled with tons of useless, inaccurate data, simply bercause you and others are too laqzy to do it right.
Your sacred cow is pure BS.
Skip Document the removal, and you won't have an issue. I can't control what the screeners allow in. If it's wrong, document it as such and the voters and screeners will make the ultimate decision. The Rules say ALL changes must be documented! Not just additions. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No hal, I am NOT playing your sacred cow game. If you want IMDb then leave Profiler and gfo use IMDb. GARBAGE IS GARBAGE and should be removed when it is uncovbered. Your ...no I won't say it..I don't want to get into personal areas. But I violently disagree with you and anyone else who believes in sacred cow data, you wnat to document it FINE, you don't it gets thrown out. And BTW Hal, I won't talk about the NUMEROUS time I have seen you voting to ALLOW trash data into the database, WITHOUT suitable documentation. This game is stupid and users like you are creating a garbage can for a daytabase. it is certainly NOT anything which can be relied upon for accuracy. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
if you want Common Name data DOCUMENT it, if you want (uncredited) DOCUMENT it Let me just address this one random bit of this rant of yours, by linking to a post by Ken where he says something about the level of documentation needed for common names. Now I understand YOU'RE demands are higher - I'd even go so far as to say that MY OWN standards are a bit higher, but that is, as of yet, Invelos' one and only public stance on the matter. It is not up to you to decide what is right and what is wrong. Today I see a contribution of yours changing a previously approved "Jacqueline Bisset [Jacky Bisset]" entry to just "Jacky Bisset", without giving ANY reason for that change, except that you don't like it. I'm sorry, but it's wrong, and you know it. You KNOW full well know that Jacqueline Bisset is the actress you see in that film, and the CLT shows you, with a staggering 371 vs. only 9 entries, that that is indeed the common name. I also see you trying to change "Jean-Paul Belmondo [Jean Paul Belmondo]" (CLT 328 vs. 14) to the incorrect "Jean Paul Belmondo": again there's no reason on earth why you should eliminate the previously approved link to the 328 "Jean-Paul" entries in the database - again you know full well that the entry is correct. You're trying to undo absoltely correct, valid and useful data, and you're replacing it with garbage. Please stop. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
There is not even any reference to the CLT anywhere in those notes. Was it you who did this, if it is thenm yoiu should take yourself outside and beat yourself. It's GAREBAGE there is not even a minimum level , No CLT not even any kind of comment that sys OH, By the way i am adding this Common Name just because.
Stop supporting GARBAGE
I am sick and tired of people trying to turn this into a clone of IMDb, complete with all the inaccuracies, Tim. Garbage goes to the landfill.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am going to copy all of the Contribution Notes so everyone can see.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Stop supporting GARBAGE The point is that it isn't garbage, and you know it. You know full well that entries like "Jacqueline Bisset [Jacky Bisset]" and "Jean-Paul Belmondo [Jean Paul Belmondo]" are absolutely correct. You've seen the film, you've recognized the people, and you know these entries are overwhelmingly supported by the CLT results (371 vs. 9 and 328 vs. 14). Yet despite the fact that you KNOW the entries are correct, you'd rather destroy them and list incorrect data instead, then keep the correct entries. I honestly don't understand the need to do so: those changes don't offer ANY value to ANYONE. They're not "corrections" - the "as credited" data is already stored in the appropriate field. It's only removing valid data, data of which you perfectly know it is correct, which will only have to be re-added if, heaven forbid, you might succeed in getting it approved. Basically: you're playing ping-pong, and there is absolutely nothing to gain by what you're doing. Not for yourself or your own database, nor for anyone else. It's just plain wrong, period. Look: if there was a common name entry that was wrong, I'd be perfectly happy to see you remove it. But removing valid and correct data deserves a no-vote every single time. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | [b]Tim I don' cvare what you say on this. Here are the notes
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T!M
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Posted: March 13, 2007 7:16 PM
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Profile Contribution Approved 2007-03-13 19:24:06
Image Contribution Approved 2007-03-13 19:24:06
Erik
It's a strange world.
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Posted: March 14, 2007 2:44 AM
Better cover scans?
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Image Contribution Approved 2007-03-14 17:02:55
Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
Tracer
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 667
Posted: March 24, 2007 1:54 PM
Cast and crew as credited in the order they are credited.
With the new feature to all certain cast members that are credited with different names;
adding Jacqueline Bisset with as credited as Jacky Bisset.
adding Jean-Paul Belmondo with as credited as Jean Paul Belmondo
Removing the bonus TV-Movie Credits, these are not part of the main feature but, a bonus feature.
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Profile Contribution Approved Mar 26 2007 5:35PM
Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways.
Doombear
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 240
Posted: April 7, 2007 10:23 AM
UK Country of Origin
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DVD Collection List
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T!M
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Posted: May 29, 2007 5:48 AM
Added country of origin.
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Profile Contribution Approved May 31 2007 8:29PM
ya_shin
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Posted: June 7, 2007 12:30 PM
adding single quotes to Overview for italics and adding the (R) logo after Oscar
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Profile Contribution Approved Jun 9 2007 9:15PM
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T!M
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Posted: July 26, 2007 1:56 PM
Ken Hughes is NOT credited as Kennneth Hughes (with three n's), but as Kenneth Hughes (with two n's). Richard Langford (correct common name already in the profile) is credited as Dick Langford.
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Profile Contribution Approved Jul 28 2007 10:29PM
T!M
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Posted: July 29, 2007 4:53 AM
Corrected role name "French Legonnaire" to "French Legionnaire" - as credited. Corrected role name "Miss Moneypenny" to just "Moneypenny" - as credited. Valentine Dyall didn't play Dr. Noah (Woody Allen did); he just supplied the voice. He can also be seen as Vesper's Assistant. Removed the (uncredited) entry for David Lodge as there's no role name associated with him, rendering the credit (a) useless, and (b) unverifyable.
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Profile Contribution Approved Jul 31 2007 9:37PM
T!M
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Posted: November 14, 2007 2:08 PM
There are two actresses named Tracy Reed: a British one, appearing in stuff like 'The Avengers', 'Casino Royale' and 'Dr. Strangelove', and an American one, appearing in episodes of 'The A-Team', 'Knight Rider', 'Sledge Hammer!' etc. The need for birth years to distinguish between them was already established in the this forumthread (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=171474&PageNum=9&x=0#M330875): both birth years have already been accepted by Invelos in other profiles. The Tracy Reed in this profile was born in 1942.
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Profile Contribution Approved Nov 17 2007 6:10PM
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synner_man
Silent. Deadly. Furry.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 242
Posted: March 27, 2008 12:30 PM
Added footnote to overview per cover, removing spaces after ...
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Profile Contribution Approved Mar 30 2008 11:46PM
T!M
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Posted: March 31, 2008 3:09 AM
One more minor correction to the overview to match the back cover EXACTLY: "But it won't be easy... they'll" to "But it won't be easy...they'll" (no space between "..." and the following word).
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Profile Contribution Approved Apr 3 2008 8:37AM
jcbuds105
U.S. Navy SEAL Trident
Registered: November 12, 2007
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Posted: June 17, 2008 6:28 PM
From the back cover.
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T!M
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Posted: November 15, 2008 5:41 AM
Moved DVD publisher to it's own new field. Applied the newly available bold/italics formatting to the overview.
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Profile Contribution Approved Nov 17 2008 6:56AM
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skipnet50
Don't be a ninnyhammer
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 11,322
Posted: January 13, 2009 10:51 PM
Crew data edited and ordered per ACTUAL film credits-Strictly As Credited
Note: I see absolutely no documentation nor justification in prior notes supporting ANY Common Name usage so On Screen credits have been restored. isage of Common Names is fine but they must documented and justified
As Credited Crew Roles as follows and as necessary
Wolf Mankowitz: Screenwriter
John Law: Screenwriter============>Screenplay By
Michael Sayers: Screenwriter
Ian Fleming: Original Material By====>Suggested by the Novel "Casino Royale" By
John Wilcox: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Nicolas Roeg: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Normally Additional Photography would not be credited but these are credited on the front End immediately after the DOP
Burt Bacharach: Composer===>Music Composed and Conducted By
Burt Bacharach: Song Writer===>Music By
Hal David: Song Writer===>Lyrics By
Neville Smallwood: Make-up Artist===>Chief Make-Up Artist
John O'Gorman: Make-up Artist===>Make-Up for Ursula Andress
Betty Adamson: Costume Designer===>Wardrobe Supervisor
Note: There are many time when Wardrobe Supervisor is the only credit for anything related to Costumes, so included for consistency of usage
Cliff Richardson: Visual Effects===>Special Effects
Roy Whybrow: Visual Effects===>Special Effects
Chombert : Costume Designer===>Furs for Ursula Andress
Paco Rabanne: Costume Designer===>Guard Girl Dresses
Guy Laroche: Costume Designer===>Casino Dresses
Cast data edited and Ordered per ACTUAL film credits, strictly As Credited
As with Crew data there are common Names which have been applied without any documentation or justification so they have been restored to As Credited, pending documentation and justification for usage
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ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
I'm Not Blockbuster...!
Billy Video
skipnet50
Don't be a ninnyhammer
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 11,322
Posted: January 13, 2009 11:29 PM
Crew data edited and ordered per ACTUAL film credits-Strictly As Credited
Note: I see absolutely no documentation nor justification in prior notes supporting ANY Common Name usage so On Screen credits have been restored. isage of Common Names is fine but they must documented and justified
As Credited Crew Roles as follows and as necessary
Wolf Mankowitz: Screenwriter
John Law: Screenwriter============>Screenplay By
Michael Sayers: Screenwriter
Ian Fleming: Original Material By====>Suggested by the Novel "Casino Royale" By
John Wilcox: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Nicolas Roeg: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Normally Additional Photography would not be credited but these are credited on the front End immediately after the DOP
Burt Bacharach: Composer===>Music Composed and Conducted By
Burt Bacharach: Song Writer===>Music By
Hal David: Song Writer===>Lyrics By
Neville Smallwood: Make-up Artist===>Chief Make-Up Artist
John O'Gorman: Make-up Artist===>Make-Up for Ursula Andress
Betty Adamson: Costume Designer===>Wardrobe Supervisor
Note: There are many time when Wardrobe Supervisor is the only credit for anything related to Costumes, so included for consistency of usage
Cliff Richardson: Visual Effects===>Special Effects
Roy Whybrow: Visual Effects===>Special Effects
Chombert : Costume Designer===>Furs for Ursula Andress
Paco Rabanne: Costume Designer===>Guard Girl Dresses
Guy Laroche: Costume Designer===>Casino Dresses
Cast data edited and Ordered per ACTUAL film credits, strictly As Credited
As with Crew data there are common Names which have been applied without any documentation or justification so they have been restored to As Credited, pending documentation and justification for usage
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*Updated Notes*
Crew data edited and ordered per ACTUAL film credits-Strictly As Credited
Note: I see absolutely no documentation nor justification in prior notes supporting ANY Common Name usage so On Screen credits have been restored. isage of Common Names is fine but they must documented and justified
As Credited Crew Roles as follows and as necessary
Wolf Mankowitz: Screenwriter
John Law: Screenwriter============>Screenplay By
Michael Sayers: Screenwriter
Ian Fleming: Original Material By====>Suggested by the Novel "Casino Royale" By
John Wilcox: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Nicolas Roeg: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Normally Additional Photography would not be credited but these are credited on the front End immediately after the DOP
Burt Bacharach: Composer===>Music Composed and Conducted By
Burt Bacharach: Song Writer===>Music By
Hal David: Song Writer===>Lyrics By
Neville Smallwood: Make-up Artist===>Chief Make-Up Artist
John O'Gorman: Make-up Arti
For
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
I'm Not Blockbuster...!
Billy Video
Last edited: January 14, 2009 5:04 AM by skipnet50
skipnet50
Don't be a ninnyhammer
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 11,322
Posted: January 14, 2009 6:19 AM
Crew data edited and ordered per ACTUAL film credits-Strictly As Credited
Note: I see absolutely no documentation nor justification in prior notes supporting ANY Common Name usage so On Screen credits have been restored. isage of Common Names is fine but they must documented and justified
As Credited Crew Roles as follows and as necessary
Wolf Mankowitz: Screenwriter
John Law: Screenwriter============>Screenplay By
Michael Sayers: Screenwriter
Ian Fleming: Original Material By====>Suggested by the Novel "Casino Royale" By
John Wilcox: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Nicolas Roeg: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Normally Additional Photography would not be credited but these are credited on the front End immediately after the DOP
Burt Bacharach: Composer===>Music Composed and Conducted By
Burt Bacharach: Song Writer===>Music By
Hal David: Song Writer===>Lyrics By
Neville Smallwood: Make-up Artist===>Chief Make-Up Artist
John O'Gorman: Make-up Artist===>Make-Up for Ursula Andress
Betty Adamson: Costume Designer===>Wardrobe Supervisor
Note: There are many time when Wardrobe Supervisor is the only credit for anything related to Costumes, so included for consistency of usage
Cliff Richardson: Visual Effects===>Special Effects
Roy Whybrow: Visual Effects===>Special Effects
Chombert : Costume Designer===>Furs for Ursula Andress
Paco Rabanne: Costume Designer===>Guard Girl Dresses
Guy Laroche: Costume Designer===>Casino Dresses
Cast data edited and Ordered per ACTUAL film credits, strictly As Credited
As with Crew data there are common Names which have been applied without any documentation or justification so they have been restored to As Credited, pending documentation and justification for usage. There is NOT even ANY refernce on any of the Common Names used to the CLT. where did they come from...THIN AIR or an overactive imagination.
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*Updated Notes*
Crew data edited and ordered per ACTUAL film credits-Strictly As Credited
Note: I see absolutely no documentation nor justification in prior notes supporting ANY Common Name usage so On Screen credits have been restored. isage of Common Names is fine but they must documented and justified
As Credited Crew Roles as follows and as necessary
Wolf Mankowitz: Screenwriter
John Law: Screenwriter============>Screenplay By
Michael Sayers: Screenwriter
Ian Fleming: Original Material By====>Suggested by the Novel "Casino Royale" By
John Wilcox: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Nicolas Roeg: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Normally Additional Photography would not be credited but these are credited on the front End immediately after the DOP
Burt Bacharach: Composer===>Music Composed and Conducted By
Burt Bacharach: Song Writer===>Music By
Hal David: Song Writer===>Lyrics By
Neville Smallwood: Make-up Artist===>Chief Make-Up Artist
John O'Gorman: Make-up Arti
Tim
*Updated Notes*
Crew data edited and ordered per ACTUAL film credits-Strictly As Credited
Note: I see absolutely no documentation nor justification in prior notes supporting ANY Common Name usage so On Screen credits have been restored. isage of Common Names is fine but they must documented and justified
As Credited Crew Roles as follows and as necessary
Wolf Mankowitz: Screenwriter
John Law: Screenwriter============>Screenplay By
Michael Sayers: Screenwriter
Ian Fleming: Original Material By====>Suggested by the Novel "Casino Royale" By
John Wilcox: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Nicolas Roeg: Cinematographer===>Additional Photography By
Normally Additional Photography would not be credited but these are credited on the front End immediately after the DOP
Burt Bacharach: Composer===>Music Composed and Conducted By
Burt Bacharach: Song Writer===>Music By
Hal David: Song Writer===>Lyrics By
Neville Smallwood: Make-up Artist===>Chief Make-Up Artist
John O'Gorman: Make-up Arti | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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