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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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I know this probably has been discussed before, but...

there are several contributions that the user is taking existing scans and squaring off the corners. 

I do not personally see any significant improvement in squaring off the corners.  I personally would like to keep the rounded corners (It is what is on the shelf)

The question is this - is squaring off the corners really necessary?
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There's nothing in the rules one way or the other & comes down to personal preference. For me, it comes down to each title. Some I think look better with them left rounded & others squared off.

If I'm evaluating a contribution, I don't take rounded/squared corners into account, just whether or not the image as a whole is an improvement over the existing.
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Previous discussions:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=297868&PageNum=1
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=171234&messageID=293452

I wouldn't resubmit just to square corners but will square them if within my ability. 
It will look better than whatever color the heavy book i use to flatten the cover onto the scanner that would otherwise fill the corner. 
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I like the corners squared and that's what I do when I scan a cover but when judging a scan it's only about improvement not the corners.

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It has been Profiler convention for many years predating the Rules, The reason for is it simple, esthetics for one and anyone who has done a lot of scans knows that there are very few covers which are truly square in all respects making the use of rounded somewhat problematic, unless we started essentially cropping them out to begin with which NOBODY would like.

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If all the user is doing is squaring off corners on existing scans then I would vote "no" - that is not a significant improvement in my eyes.
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I've seen a few of those recently and I have and will consistantly vote NO. It is not a significant improvement on the existing images.
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If somebody downloads a cover, does some image processing (e.g. squaring the corners) and then contributes the cover again, he does decrease the image quality because new compression artefacts are introduced by saving the image as jpeg a second time.

On the other hand, whether the corners on new scans should be squared, is personal preference.
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Overall, it's really BASIC.

IF Fresh scan and (squared corners or rounded corners) = improved scan THEN vote yes
IF (not fresh scan and only updated corners) or not visible improvement THEN vote no.

I saw this done with The Last Dragon and I voted no on it.  Edited the existing image which introduced additional JPeg artifacts.  Rules state that updated covers has to be a noticeable improvement which is clearly not the case here.
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If all the user is doing is squaring off corners on existing scans then I would vote "no" - that is not a significant improvement in my eyes.


Agreed.  This is something they should keep local.
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If all the user is doing is squaring off corners on existing scans then I would vote "no" - that is not a significant improvement in my eyes.


Completely agree. I don't see how they qualify as "significantly higher quality than the existing online images" as the rules read either.
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I square my scans just as a habit, I started when I was upping covers to r1db andf they demanded it. I think it looks better so I kept on doing it on my own.

That said, would never dream of taking an existing scan and square them off, then have the balls/lack of brains to re-submit as my own "improved" scans.   Others have already mentioned the quality drop going back and forth, plus isn't that a form of theft or plagerism?
I don't care if someone takes my scans and uses them for some other purpose, but if they try and take credit for the scans to begin with, then the line is crossed.
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I agree that if the only difference in a contributed scan is that the corners are square instead of  round, it's not a significant improvement and I'd vote against it.  If the images look better to me for reasons other than the corners, I MIGHT vote for them.  It all depends on how much better I think they look.

For my own scans, though, I square the corners. I personally think they look better square. But the main reason take the extra step of squaring the corners is that I seldom am able to get a good, clean rounded corner when I scan the cover.  Frequently the image is a tilted a little one way or another (the paper moves when I close the scanner lid and I can't always prevent it from moving).  So I use Photoshop to rotate the image to square it up.  When I look at the result, I have sometime inadvertently cropped part of the corner.  So if I square the corner up a bit it looks better.

Also, I sometimes have a problem with the cover insert lying flat on the scanner -- so the resulting scanned image isn't a true rectangle.  I don't notice this until I'm looking at the image in PhotoShop -- and rather than re-scan, I'll crop the image to make it a true rectangle -- and then square the corners which usually aren't a true circle.

BTW:  I seldom contribute covers.  By the time I get around to scanning them, someone else has already contributed a decent high scan cover, so it's not necessary for me to contribute mine -- especially since mine are usually around 800x1100 -- and I'm not about to fiddle with them to get the size Invelos wants.

If I'm contributing a new title that isn't in the database, then I'll generally include my 800x1100 covers and let the software on the Invelos end convert them to the size they want.
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I don't square corners myself and prefer the scans to be 'au naturel' and match whatever the cover is like but for someone else's contribution I wouldn't mind if the corners were squared or not so far as the Vote goes.
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I personally prefer it to match the cover myself. If rounded corners on the cover then I prefer to have rounded corners in profiler. just my opinion on the matter.
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