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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Only a poll to know how many thinks what about it.
If you like discuss, these came for the discasing of these post and you can talk in it: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=333488
There are many countries now not are allow by dvdprofiler and people is requesting: Iran, Afganistan, Colonbia, Venezuela, Egypt, and many countrys of africa. Some people request the old mane of country, now that exists, like URSS.
If you see a some country you need and is not listed here, please, say. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | We need the ability to add all countries and the ability to list multiple countries.
As it stands now, we are unable to properly record co-productions, of which there are many. When we select one country for a multi-national production, we create incorrect data. eg. a French-Italian co-production is not a French film. It's a French-Italian film. When we record it as a France COO, that's an error.
If we leave the COO blank when we have a country that's not in the list, we have no way to know if the field is blank because we've determined it to be a non-listed country or if we haven't determined the proper COO at all!
As it stands now, by nature of the small number of countries available and the ability to only choose one, the COO is a collection of accurate, inaccurate, incomplete and unknown information...and therefore essentially useless in its current configuration. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lets look at this logically. According to the CIA World Factbook there are 266 nations, dependent areas, and other entities. I doubt all 266 of these countries produce movies. Invelos/Profiler currently has the listing for 47 countries and one blank for a total of 48. I can honestly say the majority of the films I own come from 4 or 5 countries and of those the majority come from the United States. It is only logical that Ken chose the countries which appeared most when he built the country list. All of this goes back to the the post about adding Iran. While I do understand the OP point of view, I also agree that adding a country because it has 4 films out of 400,000 is ridiculous. I know it is not necessary to add every country in the world nor do I want to wade through them every time I want to choose a country. Ken has been more than intelligent when putting this program together. I am sure he has a system of which countries are added and that system seems to work without being so cumbersome as to be unintelligible. I say we continue the way we are going. As soon as certain countries produce enough movies as to warrant a slot on the country list they'll get one. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I did look at it logically. Your logic is just different. Your logic is that "too many" equals "bad". My logic is that "too few" is "bad". How many is enough to "warrant" their inclusion? Do they have to pass muster with enough R1-USA users first?
Perhaps Ken could allow for a non-contributable custom field like he has done for crew. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
I say we continue the way we are going. As soon as certain countries produce enough movies as to warrant a slot on the country list they'll get one. What counts as "enough"? I say that if they've got DVDs available then it's enough to warrant being added. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I really don't understand why some user make a big deal with that. This isn't like 1 000 000 countries exist presently, I don't know but sometime we make a mountain of nothing... Just add a menu with all the country and it's done.
P.S : I don't target any of the users who had wrote before me here, just a general comment since this poll is a continuation of the Iran topic. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
According to the CIA World Factbook there are 266 nations, dependent areas, and other entities. I doubt all 266 of these countries produce movies. Invelos/Profiler currently has the listing for 47 countries So what you're saying is that Profiler currently covers only 17% of the number of countries. Even taking into account the number of countries that don't produce films that's not a large percentage. I see no reason why quite a few countries can't be added to the program, plus the ability to document co-productions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | While I am usually lazy and resent having to scroll through long lists of useless (to me) information to get to what I want, I don't see a problem with addiing a large number of countries to the CoO list -- even as many as 266. As I said somewhere before in this thread, since we have the ability to type ahead, it doesn't take much longer to locate a country in a list of 47 than it would in a list of 266. So unless there's some overhead added to the program by doubling or tripling or even quintupling the length of the list, I don't see the harm. And if Ken does it once, he probably won't have to do it again any time soon. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,747 |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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According to the CIA World Factbook there are 266 nations, dependent areas, and other entities. I doubt all 266 of these countries produce movies. Invelos/Profiler currently has the listing for 47 countries
So what you're saying is that Profiler currently covers only 17% of the number of countries. Even taking into account the number of countries that don't produce films that's not a large percentage.
I see no reason why quite a few countries can't be added to the program, plus the ability to document co-productions. No, that is not what I am saying. I will guarantee that all 266 do not produce and probably never have produced a film. I also said that Ken had a system something else you failed to point out in your rebuke. And yes I AM saying I would not add a country that had produced 4 films. I do not have that choice though and do not make the assumption that I do. I think Ken has a good system. | | | | Last edited: by Lord Of The Sith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
If any, we should remove "United Kingdom". I have to type "U" and then cursor one down to reach the US as CoO. This situation is intolerable! 
 I think that's a fine idea, Karsten, says my German side. No wait, fool, you forgot the Welsh side. Yeah but the Swiss side is neutral, you two have at it.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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According to the CIA World Factbook there are 266 nations, dependent areas, and other entities. I doubt all 266 of these countries produce movies. Invelos/Profiler currently has the listing for 47 countries
So what you're saying is that Profiler currently covers only 17% of the number of countries. Even taking into account the number of countries that don't produce films that's not a large percentage.
I see no reason why quite a few countries can't be added to the program, plus the ability to document co-productions.
No, that is not what I am saying. I will guarantee that all 266 do not produce and probably never have produced a film. I also said that Ken had a system something else you failed to point out in your rebuke. And yes I AM saying I would not add a country that had produced 4 films. I do not have that choice though and do not make the assumption that I do. I think Ken has a good system. Agreed on all counts Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Remember that it's slightly more complicated than simply adding the existing countries to a list. Some movies where produced in countries no longer existing (Soviet Union, DDR, etc).
In some countries the name simply changed, and then I am fine with using the newest name for the country, but I would not like having to choose between the Czech Republic and Slovakia for a movie produced in Czechoslovakia in for example 1980. | | | Regards
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
Remember that it's slightly more complicated than simply adding the existing countries to a list. Some movies where produced in countries no longer existing (Soviet Union, DDR, etc).
In some countries the name simply changed, and then I am fine with using the newest name for the country, but I would not like having to choose between the Czech Republic and Slovakia for a movie produced in Czechoslovakia in for example 1980. An ideal implementation would include a from and to date for each Country. Some in form validation could then be written so that a Country could only be added if the release date for the film fell within the valid range. If we accept that link for profiler purposes, then it could work very well. | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,747 |
| | Posted: | | | | The best solution would be if it could be updated on a need-to basis.
For example. Someone asks for Iran and Ken edits some database table, adds Iran and with the next "Refresh Online Profile List" Iran becomes available as CoO for everyone. This way there'd be no need do add all 266+x countries but simply the ones someone has asked for. I believe this way the list would remain easily below 100 countries.
IMHO this should also be the way fo audio trakcs and subtitles. | | | Karsten
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