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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantb0yce
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This is regarding The Project A Collection Box Set, UPC 5-030305-510114.

This contains,
i) Disc 1 : Project A - this matches the disc ID of Disc 1 from the already contributed Project A: Special Collector's Edition, UPC 5-032438-505982.
ii) Disc 2 : Project A Disc 2 - this matches the disc ID of Bonus Materials from the above UPC.
iii) Disc 3 : Project A Part II - this matches the already contributed disc ID 145F-43CB-118B-B877.

What I have done, before contributing;
a) Add to my collection using Inserted Disc for Disc 3 (Project A, Part 2), unticked download Profile and then added Cast, Crew and Overview from fellow UPC 5-032438-506002. And manually added all other details from Disc.
b) Added Inserted Disc for Disc 1 (Project A) and unticked download Profile.
c) Added Disc 2 to new profile created in (b) above as Bonus Materials Disc 2.
d) Copied Cast, Crew and Overview from same UPC above as matched in Disc 1 (i) above i.e. 5-032438-505982. Manually added all other detail.

So I now have;
Box Set - with UPC and Scanned Cover Images
-- Disc ID 94D3-94C0-57A0-3342 - Project A: Special Platinum Edition, plus Bonus Materials Disc ID 2C4C-4191-6489-A9A1, without Cover images.
-- Disc ID 145F-43CB-118B-B877 - Project A, Part II: Collector's Edition, without Cover images.

I thought this would be more concise and correct, instead of simply adding the UPCs (i and iii) to the box-set and removing images. Though would this have been submittable or have I seen the light?

Yes I have read the rules, but am just trying to clarify since the Disc Ids have been released on another already submitted UPC and re-released as part of a Box-Set.

TIA b0yce
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Just because discs have been released previously as a stand alone or as part of another set doesn't mean you should not include them with this set.

If they have their own data (cast, crew, video, cover images etc) then you cannot alter the data assigned already to them, but you can still add them via the Box Set contents to this Box Set. When adding them to this Box Set, do so as you have done with the disc's that aren't part of any other release/set, in this case by inserting the Disc ID into the set. ie.

1) Disc 1: Project A (Disc ID disc 1)
2) Disc 2: Project A Disc 2 (Disc ID disc 2)
3) Disc 3: Project A Part II (Disc ID disc 3)


etc. A good example of how to do these types of sets would be to view a profile already done of something similar
ALien Quadrilogy - EAN: 5039036014823 for example
You will see there that although the Disc IDs through search of available profiles are also in the stand alones and in dual sets they are also included in the quad set.

Hope this is of help.

Steve
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Quoting b0yce:
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So I now have;
Box Set - with UPC and Scanned Cover Images
-- Disc ID 94D3-94C0-57A0-3342 - Project A: Special Platinum Edition, plus Bonus Materials Disc ID 2C4C-4191-6489-A9A1, without Cover images.
-- Disc ID 145F-43CB-118B-B877 - Project A, Part II: Collector's Edition, without Cover images.

This sounds right to me: a parent profile using the UPC; a child profile for Project A (2 discs) and a child profile for Part 2 (1 disc), both child profiles using disc IDs.
If you wanted to, you can add the artwork from the boxset to the child profiles, but it's not necessary.

But as Steve says, if any of the profiles you are using already existed (as it sounds disc 3 did) then you can attach it to the new boxset, but you can't update it to match the new boxset.

Edit: I've just been looking at the profile for this boxset (a UK locality?). If this is the one, I can't see any major problems with it. The Part 2 profile needs cast & crew, but apart from that it seems set up the way it should be.
The only thing I can see different is that the disc IDs for Project A don't match the ones you quote (it has an ID of A35E83F64BE7C97F) - which may be why the profile hasn't shown up for you. Try searching on title instead.

Interesting quandry - does anyone know, if we have an identical disc with a different ID, and the profile's based on ID rather than UPC - do we change the ID and create a new profile?
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This sounds right to me: a parent profile using the UPC; a child profile for Project A (2 discs) and a child profile for Part 2 (1 disc), both child profiles using disc IDs.
If you wanted to, you can add the artwork from the boxset to the child profiles, but it's not necessary.

But as Steve says, if any of the profiles you are using already existed (as it sounds disc 3 did) then you can attach it to the new boxset, but you can't update it to match the new boxset.

Edit: I've just been looking at the profile for this boxset (a UK locality?). If this is the one, I can't see any major problems with it. The Part 2 profile needs cast & crew, but apart from that it seems set up the way it should be.

Yes a UK locality disc.
This is what I presumed, though I would probably be better of submitting an update to the Project A II Disc ID to include Cast and Crew first, get that released and then add it to the Box-Set with the UPC. A slightly longer procedure, but probably more correct. I just threw this question in regarding the original existence of Disc IDs for other matching UPCs. Also a query regarding the cover images of the Disc ID child profiles, because this Box-Set is a DigiPak (with Slip Cover) and the child profiles are just DigiPak, i.e. just the disc. So thought not to use the images from the UPC due to rules, since this box-set has no individual packaging for the individual films.

Quoting Rules
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Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a film is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging.


Quoting northbloke:
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The only thing I can see different is that the disc IDs for Project A don't match the ones you quote (it has an ID of A35E83F64BE7C97F) - which may be why the profile hasn't shown up for you. Try searching on title instead.

Interesting quandary - does anyone know, if we have an identical disc with a different ID, and the profile's based on ID rather than UPC - do we change the ID and create a new profile?

I did the search by title and the item you found seems to be a different entry, for Project A from the Box-Set (with Box-set picture). But my Disc-ID differs in the fact that it matches the singularly released Disc ID of the Platinum collector's edition, but comes from the same already contributed Box-Set. To add further problems/complications the Disc 3 (Project A II) matches the disc ID of the already contributed item of the same Box-Set. So indeed a quandary!

Edit: Just double checked the existing entry for the Box-Set. It states disc contents as:
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Project A, Part II: Collector's Edition (Disc ID: 145F-43CB-118B-B877)
(Disc ID: AC8F-B843)

Which in itself differs to what I am trying to add, so maybe the contributors to this entry (see here)  (or anyone else who has the same UPC Box-Set) could verify their Disc IDs to see if indeed we do have a difference?
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As the person who created the boxset in the first place, I can tell you that all the disc ids used in it's creation are correct and valid.

If I'm reading your posts correctly you have the same collection, but one of your discs has a different ID?

There is nothing to stop you creating a new profile under this id, but, in my opinion, you should not submit an update to the online database, that removes the existing disc id profile and replaces it with your new one in the parent profile.

Generally the idea around here is that the earliest submitted data takes precedence from an online perspective (unless it was clearly incorrect at the time it was submitted).
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There is nothing to stop you creating a new profile under this id, but, in my opinion, you should not submit an update to the online database, that removes the existing disc id profile and replaces it with your new one in the parent profile.

Generally the idea around here is that the earliest submitted data takes precedence from an online perspective (unless it was clearly incorrect at the time it was submitted).

I may be wrong, but I believe that disc IDs are the exception to this. If you change an ID on a profile and submit it (along with another change as per rules) it doesn't overwrite the original ID it simply gets added to Ken's database of IDs.
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you're correct on this one northbloke. You could even contribute the disc-id alone if there is nothing else left on the profile to correct or change. State this in your contribution note and the disc-id will be most likely accepted.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Quoting northbloke:
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Quoting Lithurge:
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There is nothing to stop you creating a new profile under this id, but, in my opinion, you should not submit an update to the online database, that removes the existing disc id profile and replaces it with your new one in the parent profile.

Generally the idea around here is that the earliest submitted data takes precedence from an online perspective (unless it was clearly incorrect at the time it was submitted).

I may be wrong, but I believe that disc IDs are the exception to this. If you change an ID on a profile and submit it (along with another change as per rules) it doesn't overwrite the original ID it simply gets added to Ken's database of IDs.


As has been pointed out elsewhere it does overwrite the disc id in the profile if you do not have it locked.

Having said that I was referring to the box set information in the parent profile, not the id in the child profile. The parent profile itself should not have disc ids in the disc id field.
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