Dreamgirls, end credits, "RECORDIST" in the post production section. Would that be a Sound role?

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Re-Recorded at...
Recordist...
Sound Editorial by...

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Again, this is something where I feel common sense needs to prevail. While a "sound recordist" is certainly allowed, this is also often mis-used for "recordists" in recent films, in which these "recordists" are just assistants in the re-recording process. IMHO, the "sound" credit is not meant for these: the fact that the rules say that it's "primarily used in older films" is a pretty clear indication of that. So when it's a fairly recent film, and all sound categories are already catered for, then I don't award further "sound" credits to someone listed as "recordist". So if there already are credits for a production sound mixer, (supervising) sound editor(s) and re-recording mixer(s), then I would disregard an additional "recordist" credit, simply because all possible jobs that the "sound" credit is meant to cover are already catered for. However, if there's no "production sound mixer" listed, but there is a "recordist" credit, then I would award it with a "sound" credit.

I see how hard it is to catch all this in a simple rule, and I have no doubt that some of you will object, but to me this all seems perfectly obvious, and I feel it's all within the rules because of that little note that the "sound" credit carries: "primarily used in older films." While this is, of course, pretty vague, I consider this to mean that the "sound" credit is not meant for recent films that already have a full set of sound credits. In "older films", you'll find that NOT all sound categories are catered for, and that's when the "sound" credit should be used. But not if the whole sound spectrum is already covered...

Bottom line: say what you will, but 'Dreamgirls' is not, by anyone's definition, an "older film". Additionally, all possible job descriptions that the "sound" credit is meant to cover, are already covered by production sound mixer, supervising sound editor and re-recording mixer credits. So I would certainly not enter these "recordists" into DVD Profiler - their job (basically post production sound studio technicians) is completely different than what we normally use the "sound" credit for.

Quoting T!M:

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Again, this is something where I feel common sense needs to prevail. While a "sound recordist" is certainly allowed, this is also often mis-used for "recordists" in recent films, in which these "recordists" are just assistants in the re-recording process. IMHO, the "sound" credit is not meant for these: the fact that the rules say that it's "primarily used in older films" is a pretty clear indication of that. So when it's a fairly recent film, and all sound categories are already catered for, then I don't award further "sound" credits to eone listed as "recordist". So if there already are credits for a production sound mixer, (supervising) sound editor(s) and re-recording mixer(s), then I would disregard an additional "recordist" credit, simply because all possible jobs that the "sound" credit is meant to cover are already catered for. However, if there's no "production sound mixer" listed, but there is a "recordist" credit, then I would award it with a "sound" credit.

I see how hard it is to catch all this in a simple rule, and I have no doubt that some of you will object, but to me this all seems perfectly obvious, and I feel it's all within the rules because of that little note that the "sound" credit carries: "primarily used in older films." While this is, of course, pretty vague, I consider this to mean that the "sound" credit is not meant for recent films that already have a full set of sound credits. In "older films", you'll find that NOT all sound categories are catered for, and that's when the "sound" credit should be used. But not if the whole sound spectrum is already covered...

Bottom line: say what you will, but 'Dreamgirls' is not, by anyone's definition, an "older film". Additionally, all possible job descriptions that the "sound" credit is meant to cover, are already covered by production sound mixer, supervising sound editor and re-recording mixer credits. So I would certainly not enter these "recordists" into DVD Profiler - their job (basically post production sound studio technicians) is completely different than what we normally use the "sound" credit for.

Sounds like sound arguments.