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What's the Common Name of Willie D. Burton? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | My contribution notes explaining why I've used Willie Burton as Common Name (slightly edited): Quote:
His "IMDB name" is Willie D. Burton, but his credits at IMDB almost always say (as Willie Burton). IMDB is, of course, not always trustworthy, but I think they are mostly right when saying he is most often credited as Willie Burton. I own 13 movies with this guy, and in 9 of them he is credited as Willie Burton (The Game, The Goonies, Altered States, Constantine, In the Line of Fire, The Shawshank Redemption, Panic Room, Ghosts of Mars, Lethal Weapon 2). He's only credited as Willie D. Burton in 4 of them (The Entity, Man on Fire, Se7en, The Green Mile). I have verified that he is credited incorrectly 67 TIMES as Willie D. Burton in the online database (using the credit lookup tool) - JUST by checking those credits against the 10 movies I've checked PERSONALLY (the 9 movies I mentioned earlier, plus Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, where he is also credited as Willie Burton - incorrectly contributed in this case, as his credit there is for 2nd unit work). There are probably MANY more incorrect credits as Willie D. Burton. | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't matter... the rules clearly states to use the Credit Lookup tool they provide to get the common name to use. Will this give us off results till all titles have updated credits per the rules... yes... in some cases... but that just means there is work to be done... and we still need to go by the rules and use the look-up tool they provide. | | | | Pete |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | I chose for Willie D. Burton. In my own collection, he credited more WITH that middle initial than he is without it, so I never even really questioned this before. Also, aside from the sources Martin named, he is also referred to as Willie D. Burton on: allmovie.comoscars.org |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I chose for Willie D. Burton. In my own collection, he credited more WITH that middle initial than he is without it, so I never even really questioned this before. Also, aside from the sources Martin named, he is also referred to as Willie D. Burton on:
allmovie.com
oscars.org But have you actually checked that the credits in the profiles in your collection are "as credited"? I also thought that Willie D. Burton should be the common name, and started using the "credited as" function for all his Willie Burton credits. However, when I went through the credits of all 14 movies in my collection which listed him as sound crew member, I found 10 actual credits as "Willie Burton" and only 4 credits as "Willie D. Burton". Some of my profiles had him listed incorrectly as Willie D. Burton, when he was actually credited as Willie Burton, and I suspect this is the case in other people's collections as well. | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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I chose for Willie D. Burton. In my own collection, he credited more WITH that middle initial than he is without it, so I never even really questioned this before. Also, aside from the sources Martin named, he is also referred to as Willie D. Burton on:
allmovie.com
oscars.org
But have you actually checked that the credits in the profiles in your collection are "as credited"? I also thought that Willie D. Dixon should be the common name, and started using the "credited as" function for all his Willie Burton credits. However, when I went through the credits of all 14 movies in my collection which listed him as sound crew member, I found 10 actual credits as "Willie Burton" and only 4 credits as "Willie D. Burton". Some of my profiles had him listed incorrectly as Willie D. Burton, when he was actually credited as Willie Burton, and I suspect this is the case in other people's collections as well. Yes, I certainly DID verify them! You already found four Willie D. Burton credits; I can add (all personally verified): 'Short Circuit', 'Sneakers', 'Another 48 HRS.', 'Bounce' and 'Wargames'. So now we already have nine Willie D. Burton credits to match those nine Willie Burton credits you found. Even with that tie, I still feel Willie D. Burton, being the most "complete" name variant, would be the preferred "common name". Edit: I found another one, he's also credited as Willie D. Burton in 'All of Me'. That already makes 10 confirmed/verified Willie D. Burton credits. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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Quoting T!M:
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I chose for Willie D. Burton. In my own collection, he credited more WITH that middle initial than he is without it, so I never even really questioned this before. Also, aside from the sources Martin named, he is also referred to as Willie D. Burton on:
allmovie.com
oscars.org
But have you actually checked that the credits in the profiles in your collection are "as credited"? I also thought that Willie D. Burton should be the common name, and started using the "credited as" function for all his Willie Burton credits. However, when I went through the credits of all 14 movies in my collection which listed him as sound crew member, I found 10 actual credits as "Willie Burton" and only 4 credits as "Willie D. Burton". Some of my profiles had him listed incorrectly as Willie D. Burton, when he was actually credited as Willie Burton, and I suspect this is the case in other people's collections as well.
Yes, I certainly have. You already found four, I can add (all personally verified): 'Short Circuit', 'Sneakers', 'Another 48 HRS.', 'Bounce' and 'Wargames'. So now we already have nine Willie D. Burton credits to match those nine Willie Burton credits. Ok, thanks! I seem to be pretty alone in thinking Willie Burton should be used as common name, then, at least judging by the comments in this thread. I will withdraw my contributions, and instead use Willie D. Burton as common name. | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Based on the Credit Lookup tool the answer is obvious, Willie D. is it by a landslide. I don't care what anyplace else has to say/. I show him listed as Willi D. roughly twice as much as Willie.
SKip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 51 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another research by comparing the results of the Credit Lookup Tool with IMDb.
Asuming that an as-entry in IMDb is correct and if at least a view profiles list him not with his IMDb common name that this alternate name is his credited name in the film.
Result:
Willie Burton
Sure 27 titles and 342 profiles
Probably 17 titles and 161 profiles
Willie D. Burton
Sure 21 titles and 324 profiles
Probably 8 titles and 11 profiles
Detail for every film:
48 Hours: 8 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
8mm: 9 Willie, 1 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
A Low Down Dirty Shame: 0 Willie, 2 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Probably Willie
All of Me: 12 Willie D., verified by T!M -> Sure Willie D.
Altered States: 4 Willie, 1 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
Always: 10 Willie, 3 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
American Flyers: 3 Willie, IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Another 48 Hours: 5 Willie D., verified by T!M -> Sure Willie D.
Another Stakeour: 1 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
Angels in the Outfield: 1 Willie -> Probably Willie
Antwone Fisher: 7 Willie, 1 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Beloved: 6 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Bird: 8 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Black Sheep: 3 Willie -> Sure Willie
Bounce: 1 Willie D., verified by T!M -> Sure Willie D.
Bugsy: 11 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Car Wash: 3 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
Charlies Angels: 11 Willie, 16 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
Charlies Angels: Full Throttle: 10 Willie, 7 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
Christmas With the Kranks: 6 Willie, 10 Wiliie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Clean Slate: 1 Willie, 1 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Constantine: 26 Willie, 21 Willie D., verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
Corvette Summer: 1 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
Courage Under Fire: 12 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Critical Condition: 0 Willie, 4 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Probably Willie
Deal of the Century: 2 Willie, 1 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
Discretion Assured: 1 Willie -> Probably Willie
Dragnet: 5 Willie, 3 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Dreamgirls: 11 Willie, 5 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
Ghosts of Mars: 8 Willie, 7 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
Greased Lightning: 1 Willie -> Probably Willie
Hard to Hold: 1 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
Harry and the Hendersons: 1 Willie, 1 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
In the Line of Fire: 28 Willie, 3 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
Indiana Jones: 2 Willie, 7 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Jarhead: 25 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Jaws: The Revenge: 5 Willie, 1 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Lethal Weapon 2: 30 Willie, IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
Live Stinks: 4 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Love & Basketball: 1 Willie -> Probably Willie D.
Man on Fire: 33 Willie D., verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie D.
Metro: 3 Willie, 7 Willie D., IMDb as Wiliie -> Sure Willie
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: 5 Willie, 4 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Nick of Time: 3 Willie, 6 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Panic Room: 15 Willie, 10 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot - Sure Willie
Pink Cadillac: 6 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Point of No Return: 11 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
Roots: 3 Willie, IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Scrooged: 9 Willie, IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
Se7en: 33 Willie D., verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie D.
Short Circuit: 14 Willie D., verified by T!M -> Sure Willie D.
Shout: 1 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
Sneakers: 26 Willie D., verified by T!M -> Sure Willie D.
Stuart Saves His Family: 1 Willie, IMDB as Willie -> Sure Willie
Superman Returns: 2 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
Surviving Christmas: 4 Willie, 9 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
Tears of the Sun: 31 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle: 4 Willie, 1 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
The Bridges of Madison County: 16 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
The Buddy Holly Story 2: 1 Willie, IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
The China Syndrome: 5 Willie, 3 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
The Color Purple: 9 Willie, 6 Willie D., IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
The Entity: 10 Willie D., verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie D.
The Game: 19 Willie, 13 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
The Goonies: 9 Willie, 6 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
The Green Mile: 1 Willie, 37 Willie D., verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie D.
The Man With One Red Shoe: 8 Willie D., IMDb as Willies D. Burton -> Sure Willies D. Burton
The Pursuit of Happiness: 12 Willie, 5 Willie D. -> Probably Willie D.
The Shawshank Redemption: 15 Willie, 17 Willie D., IMDb as Willie, verified by Behemot -> Sure Willie
Urban Cowboy: 2 Willie, IMDb as Willie -> Sure Willie
War Games: 14 Willie D., verified by T!M -> Sure Willie D.
Which Way is Up: 2 Willie D. -> Sure Willie D.
XXX: State of the Union: 11 Willie, 13 Willie D. -> Probably Willie
Actually I am sure that if all credits can be verified with the actual film credits even more titles will change from Willie D. Burton to Willie Burton.
mfg Speedy |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | Great bit of research! I'm still sticking with Willie D. Burton, though. We've been through this same debate several times before: the fact of the matter is that for each and every person with a middle initial there are bound to be credits where the middle initial is left out. To me it's not even that important whether the amount of credits WITH the middle initial is 45% or 55%: from the combined research in this thread it is clear that Mr. Burton is often credited with his middle initial. Not just a few times, not just in the beginning of his career, no, he's credited with it many times, thoughout his career. For me, that's enough to make it part of his "common name", regardless of whether we'll be able to find one more Willie Burton credit. He's also listed as such at a large number of resources, including imdb.com, wikipedia.org, allmovie.com and oscars.org. Again: I'm happy to drop the middle initial from someone's name if it's only used a few times throughout his career, but that clearly is not the case here. For me, there are clearly more than enough "Sure Willie D." entries in there. |
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