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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Over the past week, I've noticed a new and terrible trend in submissions: when a DVD is released, many contributions now add a correct back cover scan (rather than just a duplicate of the prerelease cover image from the web), but they do not include a larger, better front cover scan. I do not understand why the back cover should be better than the front, nor why if a contributor can make a scan of the back, why he/she cannot also make an equal-quality scan of the front.
Take the extra couple minutes, folks, please... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't understand that either, Cliff. It has never made sense to me, especially if the front cover is significantly smaller than the newly scanned back cover, which is often the case. So I go along with you and ask that if someone is going to scan the back cover for contribution, he should do the front as well. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
I don't understand that either, Cliff. It has never made sense to me, especially if the front cover is significantly smaller than the newly scanned back cover, which is often the case. So I go along with you and ask that if someone is going to scan the back cover for contribution, he should do the front as well. If I am scanning the cover from a keep case, I remove it from the case and scan both the front and back as one scan. After down-sizing to 700 pixels tall, I sharpen the image and then I split it into front and back cover scans. I find that this is less work than if I did it as two scans from the get-go. Of course for a slip cover you can't do them both at the same time! pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Paul,
I take it as a given that covers from a keep case should be removed from the case and scanned in one pass as you describe. Except for the occasional cover sheet that is stuck in the case by a poorly applied piece of security tape, it's easy to do. The results are much clearer than if one scans the cover while it's in the case. But as you point out, you can't do that with a slip cover. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Paul,
I take it as a given that covers from a keep case should be removed from the case and scanned in one pass as you describe. Except for the occasional cover sheet that is stuck in the case by a poorly applied piece of security tape, it's easy to do. The results are much clearer than if one scans the cover while it's in the case. But as you point out, you can't do that with a slip cover. Why take it as a given? I remove the cover from the case and I scan front & back seperately. My scanning software does a preview pass where I use the marquee tool to frame the Front Cover and scan at 600 dpi. I then do the same for the Rear Cover. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 793 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
I remove the cover from the case and I scan front & back seperately. Personally, I scan both front and back as one whenever possible and then do the manipulation (color correction, straightening, resize and sharpen), and then crop each to front and back. That way, it's easier to keep a more uniform look to each image. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting kdh1949:
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Paul,
I take it as a given that covers from a keep case should be removed from the case and scanned in one pass as you describe. Except for the occasional cover sheet that is stuck in the case by a poorly applied piece of security tape, it's easy to do. The results are much clearer than if one scans the cover while it's in the case. But as you point out, you can't do that with a slip cover.
Why take it as a given? I remove the cover from the case and I scan front & back seperately. My scanning software does a preview pass where I use the marquee tool to frame the Front Cover and scan at 600 dpi. I then do the same for the Rear Cover. I guess it depends on what software you use and how much you want to tinker with the image(s). I scan the whole cover once at 600 dpi and crop within PhotoShop rather than make two scans. It saves some time and gets the same result. I never thought of making individual front and back scans. I'm never satisfied with the image I've scanned if I do the cropping with my scanning software. But at least you're removing the cover from the case | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't want pick on anyone, but this is one of "submit the back cover only deals" and if you notice they cut off the left side of the case. And its still getting yes votes.  | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The back cover, while not good, is still better than the small-sized repeat of the front cover... that alone is a significant improvement in my view. It was submitted with other information as well...
Yes, both the front and the back of this ought to be much better. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
Over the past week, I've noticed a new and terrible trend in submissions: when a DVD is released, many contributions now add a correct back cover scan (rather than just a duplicate of the prerelease cover image from the web), but they do not include a larger, better front cover scan. I do not understand why the back cover should be better than the front, nor why if a contributor can make a scan of the back, why he/she cannot also make an equal-quality scan of the front.
Take the extra couple minutes, folks, please... just vote NO |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've been guilty of this twice just recently, but only did it for the better good.
First was Wrong Turn 2, although on that I scanned the keepcase front due to sticker and price tag damage on slipcover front. Scanned back with slip cuz it was fine.
The second was 28 Weeks Later. I scanned both like I always do (take cover out of keepcase and flatten it with a sheet of glass over scanner glass, scan whole thing and crop after) but my front just didn't look as good as the front that was there. I couldn't get the color and balance right, so I just submitted the back as it had the same front picture for the back. I still have the original front in my local, mine was just crap compared to it. My back came out pretty nice for some reason.
I always try to include both, and always will unless I can't at least match what is already there. If an existing solo front is better than mine, I'll just submit the back. No need to downgrade the front to get the back out there. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Battling Butler: Quote:
Quoting VibroCount:
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Over the past week, I've noticed a new and terrible trend in submissions: when a DVD is released, many contributions now add a correct back cover scan (rather than just a duplicate of the prerelease cover image from the web), but they do not include a larger, better front cover scan. I do not understand why the back cover should be better than the front, nor why if a contributor can make a scan of the back, why he/she cannot also make an equal-quality scan of the front.
Take the extra couple minutes, folks, please...
just vote NO While I agree with Cliff, that is is annoying, how can you vote 'no' on this? If the back cover scan is just a repeat of the front, correcting that is an improvement.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agrre with Bid Daddy, while I understand the sentiments offered by Uncus. As has been pointed out to me many times...improvement is subjective. Some us might prefer to have a matching set of front to a mismatched front and back, therefore it would not represent an improvement but a classic example of pure laziness.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Being complete in your contribution notes in such cases would help avoid No votes too. Something like: "Submitting back cover only; I attempted to do front cover as well but I could not get a good result that I could present as an improvement. If anyone else has better luck, have at it."  How could you accuse that of laziness? | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gard: If that were in the notes, I would not and could not...but such is seldom the case. And you make a valid point for all of us.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I agrre with Bid Daddy, while I understand the sentiments offered by Uncus. As has been pointed out to me many times...improvement is subjective. Some us might prefer to have a matching set of front to a mismatched front and back, therefore it would not represent an improvement but a classic example of pure laziness.
Skip Sorry, but no. As we were told...over and over and over again...there is no requirement in the rules that a contribution must be complete. If someone chooses to only contribute the back, that is his choice. If the change is correct, even if it is incomplete, you can't vote 'no'. In addition, something that has also been expressed before, if the existing image is wrong, the correct one is automatically better. One final addition. It doesn't matter what you prefer as that is a personal preference and, as you are so fond of pointing out, you can't vote personal preference. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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