Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
Child Profiles - Overviews
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
If there are synopses on the back of the thinpaks, then they are fine to use as the overview for those discs.
The only time synopses are not allowed is when you have to write your own because there is no back cover to take the information from.
Hope that helps!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,312
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
If there are synopses on the back of the thinpaks, then they are fine to use as the overview for those discs.
The only time synopses are not allowed is when you have to write your own because there is no back cover to take the information from.
Hope that helps!


Except that is not exactly true going strictly by the rules... the rules for the disc level profiles say to use the Standard Rules... see here..

Quote from TV Series Disc Level Rules:
Quote:
Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case.

Is a new rule... still highlighted in yellow.

Then in the standard rules:
Quote:
Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly, including capitalization of words exactly as it is shown on the back of the case. If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks.  Exception: If the entire overview uses an uppercase font, enter the overview using standard capitalization rules.

Never include the following items in overviews:

    * Taglines
    * Reviews (unless they are incorporated into the text of the overview on the case)
    * Extra features
    * Hyperlinks or other HTML

For multi-language cases, use only the language of the DVDs locality.

When there is no overview on the case, add a simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs. Do not include spoilers and always match the overview language to the profile's locality.

For Concert / Music Videos you may include a listing of Song titles and length, if available.


So there is really nothing stopping us from using back of thinpaks... digipak panels... booklets... or making our own.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
OK, you've confused me now - the disc level rules say "follow standard rules".
Standard rules say "use the back of the case. If there's nothing there, you can use other sources, but don't include synopses."
As far as I can tell, the thinpak is the case referred to in the rules (as it's the case for that particular profile), so if the overview on the thinpak includes synopses, then it follows the rules to include them. The only time you're not allowed to add synopses is if the source of the overview is not the back of the case.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,312
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
OK, you've confused me now - the disc level rules say "follow standard rules".
Standard rules say "use the back of the case. If there's nothing there, you can use other sources, but don't include synopses."
As far as I can tell, the thinpak is the case referred to in the rules (as it's the case for that particular profile), so if the overview on the thinpak includes synopses, then it follows the rules to include them. The only time you're not allowed to add synopses is if the source of the overview is not the back of the case.


The Standard Rules for Overviews (HERE) do not say do not use episode synopsis.
The TV Series Rules i.e. for complete series/seasons/anthologies of episodes (HERE) Says not to use the episode synopsis.

The rules for the TV Series disc level profile says to revert back to the standard DVD Profiler rules... not the TV Series rules page. Which does not include the not add episode synopsis... so the rules allow episode synopsis on the disc level... but not on the parent level or best of discs (anthologies of episodes). That is how the rules read at this time at least.
Pete
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
The Standard Rules for Overviews (HERE) do not say do not use episode synopsis.

Pete, Where does it say this?  That page doesn't include either word: EPISODE or SYNOPSIS(es) in the Overview section.  So where does it say "do not use episode synopsis"?
Quote:
The TV Series Rules i.e. for complete series/seasons/anthologies of episodes (HERE) Says not to use the episode synopsis.

While the rules read this way, it makes sense at the parent level, but less sense at the child level.  Of what good is an overview that only shows 4 episode titles?

PS: Glad you switched avatars from Nosferatu to Jason.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,312
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting kdh1949:
Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
The Standard Rules for Overviews (HERE) do not say do not use episode synopsis.

Pete, Where does it say this?  That page doesn't include either word: EPISODE or SYNOPSIS(es) in the Overview section.  So where does it say "do not use episode synopsis"?

What I said ken, is...

Quote:
do not say do not use episode synopsis.
in other words... do not say not to use episode synopsis... or to say They are allowed. 

Quote:

Quote:
The TV Series Rules i.e. for complete series/seasons/anthologies of episodes (HERE) Says not to use the episode synopsis.

While the rules read this way, it makes sense at the parent level, but less sense at the child level.  Of what good is an overview that only shows 4 episode titles?

I agree... that is why I pointed out that we CAN us them as the disc level says to  use standard rules.. which does not forbid them. In other words... we agree... you are mis-reading what I said.

Quote:
PS: Glad you switched avatars from Nosferatu to Jason.

That is not Jason... it is Michael Myers... from the Halloween movies.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
I see what you mean now. I'm reading the rules a different way.
Because we're talking about profiles for TV series, I take "standard rules" to refer to the standard TV series rules, whereas you read it to mean to go back to the standard profile rules.
If you think this difference in interpretation could cause problems, maybe we should request a clarification - or am I the only one reading the new rule this way? 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,312
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
I see what you mean now. I'm reading the rules a different way.
Because we're talking about profiles for TV series, I take "standard rules" to refer to the standard TV series rules, whereas you read it to mean to go back to the standard profile rules.
If you think this difference in interpretation could cause problems, maybe we should request a clarification - or am I the only one reading the new rule this way? 


The reason I don't read it that way is because in the introduction they call the main set of rules (everything other then TV Series Rules or Boxset Rules) Standard Rules.  see..

Quote:
These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD

Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.


So since that is what Invelos classifies as Standard rules in the introduction... I can only believe that when they say apply the standard rules... they mean what they themselves classified as the standard rules. Besides... if they meant the TV Series rules they wouldn't have to tell you to go back to the "Standard Contribution Rules... as you were already in the TV Series rules. All they would have said use the TV Series rules or the above rules... but Standard Contribution Rules would be the main profiler rules. So no I don't think there needs to be a clarification. Actually not sure how else to say it other then the Standard Contribution Rules anyway.
Pete
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
What I said ken, is...

Quote:
do not say do not use episode synopsis.
in other words... do not say not to use episode synopsis... or to say They are allowed. 

Sorry, Pete.  I missed the second not.   Makes sense, now.
Quote:

Quote:
PS: Glad you switched avatars from Nosferatu to Jason.

That is not Jason... it is Michael Myers... from the Halloween movies.

I always get those film series mixed up.  Again, color me >>>   
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 6,635
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
I see what you mean now. I'm reading the rules a different way.
Because we're talking about profiles for TV series, I take "standard rules" to refer to the standard TV series rules, whereas you read it to mean to go back to the standard profile rules.
If you think this difference in interpretation could cause problems, maybe we should request a clarification - or am I the only one reading the new rule this way? 


You may not be the only one, but I agree with Pete, that the reference to "the standard contribution Rules" means to use th Rules for entering any run of the mill dvd pofile of a single movie.  Under those Rules, it is permissible to write your own VOervew if none exists on the case.

I just contributed the Alfred Hitchcock Presents: Season 1 child profiles which are three double sided discs in a digipak with a slip cover.  I used the overview on the slip cover for the parent profile.  There are no overviews for the child profiles on the slip cover or on the digipak  However, when you select each episode from the episode list, you are presented with a synopsis of the episode on the screen with selections for 'Play' 'Subtitles' 'Bonus Materials', etc.

I copied each of those synopses word for word into the Overview field for the child profiles.

I got one no vote that I carried on a PM conversation with, and he ultimately changed his vote to yes.

I think this is perfectly valid for child profiles of TV Sets, under the Rules.
Hal
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I agree, Hal.  As long as those synopses don't include spoilers (which they sometimes do) I'm okay with it.  I don't really like seeing a blank Overview for child profiles.  Though, in some continuing series (like 24) where subsequent episodes build on things happening in prior episodes some spoiler info is inevitable.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next