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Registered: June 20, 2015 | Reputation: | Posts: 178 |
| Posted: | | | | MyMovies by Binnerup. https://www.mymovies.dk/home.aspx |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,672 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 299 |
| Posted: | | | | My Movies v5 and higher went to a mandatory sync model. To each his own, but I have zero interest in being permanently attached to the My Movies online server while working with my local database much less being required in large part to conform to that database. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection |
| Registered: April 15, 2007 | Posts: 7 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting nanoron: Quote: MyMovies by Binnerup. https://www.mymovies.dk/home.aspx THX! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lowpro: Quote: My Movies v5 and higher went to a mandatory sync model. To each his own, but I have zero interest in being permanently attached to the My Movies online server while working with my local database much less being required in large part to conform to that database. That is sad to read... I also hate being 100% dependent on the online system and therefore My Movies will sadly no longer on my list. | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,672 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lowpro: Quote: My Movies v5 and higher went to a mandatory sync model. Ouch! That was not the case when I tested it quite some time ago. I don't like that. And I don't like Collectorz. So what can be my backup plan if I do have to abandon Profiler in the future? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 21, 2007 | Posts: 60 |
| Posted: | | | | Unfortunately I haven't had good exchanges with Collectorz - their owner is just shady dodgy person who has screwed over his user base numerous times in the past and is just simply unpleasant to deal with.
MyMovies has always been really average. Moving to online and this point system that they use rules them out for me. They have always chummed up with Collectorz too which never sat right with me.
I'm sticking with DVDProfiler. I'd even pay again if it came to that. Otherwise i'll do my own thing, even if it is a simple spreadsheet or my own database I can access from anywhere. If I was forced to swap to something else I would probably try to look for some open source solution rather than going to Collectorz or MyMovies. |
| Registered: October 21, 2008 | Posts: 8 |
| Posted: | | | | First, I don't know anything about software. So don't hate me for the question/remark.
I noticed that there are some software specialists/engineers on this forum. Is it an option or chance that you guys get together and write a new DVD Profiler. With the best parts from DVD Profiler and update it to be better then it's now. I know it's not written in two days. But is it doable? |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,461 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ian79: Quote: First, I don't know anything about software. So don't hate me for the question/remark.
I noticed that there are some software specialists/engineers on this forum. Is it an option or chance that you guys get together and write a new DVD Profiler. With the best parts from DVD Profiler and update it to be better then it's now. I know it's not written in two days. But is it doable? It is a very good and valid question. Most of us take the answer for granted since we have been here so long. The answer is, yes of course it is theoretically doable. But it would be very costly and the results might not be commercially viable. Here is why: (1) DVD Profiler has a long history, having been built by a genius programmer and colleagues. Over those years, which included court battles, the program, mobile apps, web site and online database have evolved to be the gold standard for DVD / Blu-Ray collectors. The code is not open source, and the database is proprietary. (2) The MO ("modus operandi") of the Invelos ecosystem involves intense user participation. DVD metadata is contributed by users who meticulously audit the actual DVD contents, or validate other contributions against it. There are strict, complex contributions rules, a committee, anonymous reviewers that still exist even now, for approving database contents, known as DVD profiles. (3) DVD Profiler has a unique method for encouraging other developer enhancements called "plugins". To recreate DVD Profiler would mean not only duplicating the enormous functionality of the program, the database, contributions mechanism, synchronized cloud and mobile apps, ability to extend the database, shared windows database across PCs, filters, reviews, custom skins, reports and the list goes on; one would have to decide which plugins would need to be reviewed for functions that many users consider to be important parts of the DVD Profiler experience. (4) One of the reasons DVD Profiler was so popular was that it provided high value for a very low one-time license fee. This scenario would never work in today's economic environment. (5) A replacement program would need to accommodate the new streaming paradym and consider innovative features and functions to allow users to make the most of the significant investments that we are all making on purchasing and using digital rights to online content. A new program would have to go much further than DVD Profiler to provide enough value to justify the high license fee it is likely to require in order to be financially viable. The use of "AI" will have to be heavily featured to be competitive. Finally, perhaps the most glaring manifestation of the answer to your question lies in the observation that of all the competitors who have tried to create an equally compelling alternative, so far nobody has done it. Yes, there are other successful and useful approaches, but so far, nobody has captured the imagination and spirit of avid media collectors like DVD Profiler and embodied that spirit in a set of computer program functionality that continues to surprise those of us who have been using it for over 20 years. I am still discovering nuances that I didn't know were there, that reflect the enormous vision and creativity of Ken Cole and his team. It is a "once in a century" type of invention. There will be a new one someday - maybe already out there, waiting to be discovered. I hope so. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,461 |
| Posted: | | | | Another thought. Two similarly innovative programs that we all use are "PKZIP" and "VLC Player".
They were once crazily popular tools that everybody loved and the developers busily kept pumping out new features. They both eventually went open source and the world-wide community of programmers began doing even more amazing things with them. Eventually PKZIP became integrated into operating systems such as Windows and VLC Player became even more popular. They both brought nice rewards to the original developers though different means, so I don't think they suffered by going open source.
I do not know why they do not, with all the generosity and patience that Invelos has shown us over the years, simply open up the software, database and website to the world. I think a massive new wave of innovation would result, if people did not have to start from scratch, and had the ability to explore different approaches with the original still serving as the measure of success for user satisfaction. History has shown that Invleos would likey also benefit from future corporate licensing deals. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: October 21, 2008 | Posts: 8 |
| Posted: | | | | Thank you for the reply.
Indeed. I hope for all the software writers here, that DVD Profiler become open source. And that the rest of the user can profit from it. So the move lies still with Ken. |
| Registered: June 6, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
(1) DVD Profiler has a long history, having been built by a genius programmer and colleagues. Over those years, which included court battles, the program, mobile apps, web site and online database have evolved to be the gold standard for DVD / Blu-Ray collectors. The code is not open source, and the database is proprietary.
(2) The MO ("modus operandi") of the Invelos ecosystem involves intense user participation. DVD metadata is contributed by users who meticulously audit the actual DVD contents, or validate other contributions against it. There are strict, complex contributions rules, a committee, anonymous reviewers that still exist even now, for approving database contents, known as DVD profiles.
(3) DVD Profiler has a unique method for encouraging other developer enhancements called "plugins". To recreate DVD Profiler would mean not only duplicating the enormous functionality of the program, the database, contributions mechanism, synchronized cloud and mobile apps, ability to extend the database, shared windows database across PCs, filters, reviews, custom skins, reports and the list goes on; one would have to decide which plugins would need to be reviewed for functions that many users consider to be important parts of the DVD Profiler experience.
(4) One of the reasons DVD Profiler was so popular was that it provided high value for a very low one-time license fee. This scenario would never work in today's economic environment.
(5) A replacement program would need to accommodate the new streaming paradym and consider innovative features and functions to allow users to make the most of the significant investments that we are all making on purchasing and using digital rights to online content. A new program would have to go much further than DVD Profiler to provide enough value to justify the high license fee it is likely to require in order to be financially viable. The use of "AI" will have to be heavily featured to be competitive.
Finally, perhaps the most glaring manifestation of the answer to your question lies in the observation that of all the competitors who have tried to create an equally compelling alternative, so far nobody has done it. Yes, there are other successful and useful approaches, but so far, nobody has captured the imagination and spirit of avid media collectors like DVD Profiler and embodied that spirit in a set of computer program functionality that continues to surprise those of us who have been using it for over 20 years. I am still discovering nuances that I didn't know were there, that reflect the enormous vision and creativity of Ken Cole and his team.
It is a "once in a century" type of invention. There will be a new one someday - maybe already out there, waiting to be discovered. I hope so. Thanks for this complete and very thought out description of what makes DVD Profiler and its community so valuable and unique. I wish I could give multiple greenies. |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,461 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks, I appreciate your kind words.
Just like that, we have it. The real value of DVD Profiler. Its Community. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. |
| Registered: June 20, 2015 | Reputation: | Posts: 178 |
| Posted: | | | | This discussion is probably going to be very important for iOS users, since Apple just released iOS 18. I haven't tried it yet. |
| Registered: June 20, 2015 | Reputation: | Posts: 178 |
| Posted: | | | | Does Lowpro's comment "My Movies v5 and higher went to a mandatory sync model" mean they store your database online instead of locally? If so, what's wrong with that? |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,672 |
| Posted: | | | | I think that mediadogg has explained quite well why writing a DVD Profiler replacement would be a momentous task. But there is another thing that he touched upon, but didn't really highlight. Unlike programs like PKZIP and VLCPlayer, DVD Profiler is not just a stand-alone program, it also features an intricate background system and server storage. This is not something that a voluntary group of programmers can manage. It takes money, and a business to set it up.
Would it help if DVD Profiler was made open source? I'm not sure. It is written in Delphi, and that's not a very popular language nowadays, I believe. Open access to Invelos' database would have been nice, but that would still be dependent on Invelos' website remaining available. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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