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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,764 |
| | Posted: April 14, 2024 1:10 PM | | | | There is a contribution up that changes "Vintage Classics" to "MGM Vintage Classics" for this title:  I have two concerns about this; one general and one specific. First of all, the contribution notes say "to match approved profiles for other titles in this series." I always get concerned when someone says "to match" something. As we all know, something being approved doesn't necessarily mean that it's correct (sadly). So changing something to match something else may possibly mean that we are actually just propagating a previous error. I believe that each contribution must stand on its own. Secondly, nowhere on the cover does it actually say "MGM Vintage Classics". There is a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer logo but it doesn't actually say "MGM" and it's clearly separated from "Vintage Classics". So, what do you guys think? Is this an acceptable contribution? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: April 14, 2024 1:12 PM by GSyren |
| | Registered: May 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 45 |
| | Posted: April 14, 2024 3:50 PM | | | | if it is not mentioned somewhere, e.g. in a text or legal info on the cover that it is indeed the MGM vintage classic series, I would consider "Vintage Classics" the correct edition. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,764 |
| | Posted: April 14, 2024 4:47 PM | | | | Quoting The_Fox: Quote:
if it is not mentioned somewhere, e.g. in a text or legal info on the cover that it is indeed the MGM vintage classic series, I would consider "Vintage Classics" the correct edition. No mention of "MGM Vintage Classics" anywhere. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,343 |
| | Posted: April 14, 2024 11:06 PM | | | | I agree with you on both... nd personally would say no to that one. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: September 6, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 126 |
| | Posted: April 15, 2024 1:24 AM | | | | To me, it is neither "Vintage Classics" nor "MGM Vintage Classics". There is the "Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer logo" on the cover. There are the words "Vintage Classics" or the cover, but neither of those is an edition. "Vintage Classics" is just some text they put on the cover (not an actual edition).
I checked several MGM DVDs in my collection with similar covers and nowhere on the actual DVD disc label does it say "Vintage Classics".
I actually have a couple of doubled dipped DVDs, and the cover on one copy says "Vintage Classics" and the cover on other DVD cover does not, but both have the exact same DVD with the exact same label inside.
If the cover actually said "Vintage Classics Edition" or "MGM Vintage Classics Edition", I would accept that in the profile.
If the cover actually said "Vintage Classics Collection" or "MGM Vintage Classics Collection", I would accept that in the profile. | | | | Last edited: April 15, 2024 1:31 AM by zappman |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,861 |
| | Posted: April 15, 2024 4:43 AM | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
So, what do you guys think? Is this an acceptable contribution? No. Where does the contributor suppose the "MGM" has manifested itself? I don't see it anywhere on the cover. --------------- |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: April 15, 2024 11:03 AM | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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Secondly, nowhere on the cover does it actually say "MGM Vintage Classics". There is a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer logo but it doesn't actually say "MGM" and it's clearly separated from "Vintage Classics".
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The logo should not be considered as part of the edition. Some of the earlier VHS tapes that used the same "VINTAGE CLASSICS" title had a MGM/UA logo, for example, "The Apartment": DVD ==> https://www.amazon.com/Apartment-Jack-Lemmon/dp/B00003CX8V VHS ==> https://www.amazon.com/Apartment-VHS-Jack-Lemmon/dp/6304308396 Interpreting Metro's "VINTAGE CLASSICS" range is similar to the way we treat STUDIOCANAL's range of "VINTAGE CLASSICS" films: https://vintageclassicsfilm.co.uk/ The only instance I've found where the edition is the logo and text is " 20th Century Fox Cinema Archives", not "Cinema Archives". It is actually a registered trademark name: https://uspto.report/TM/85979859 |
| | Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,235 |
| | Posted: May 2, 2024 10:09 PM | | | | Quoting zappman: Quote:
To me, it is neither "Vintage Classics" nor "MGM Vintage Classics". There is the "Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer logo" on the cover. There are the words "Vintage Classics" or the cover, but neither of those is an edition. "Vintage Classics" is just some text they put on the cover (not an actual edition).
I checked several MGM DVDs in my collection with similar covers and nowhere on the actual DVD disc label does it say "Vintage Classics".
I actually have a couple of doubled dipped DVDs, and the cover on one copy says "Vintage Classics" and the cover on other DVD cover does not, but both have the exact same DVD with the exact same label inside.
If the cover actually said "Vintage Classics Edition" or "MGM Vintage Classics Edition", I would accept that in the profile.
If the cover actually said "Vintage Classics Collection" or "MGM Vintage Classics Collection", I would accept that in the profile. I agree with this. The rules state that "the Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections"; Vintage Classics is neither a special version nor a collection. |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: May 3, 2024 7:14 AM | | | | My understanding is MGM's "VINTAGE CLASSICS" was a collection of classic films from the (1930s-60s), which was used to differentiate it from MGM's "CONTEMPORARY CLASSICS" collection of classic films from the (1960s-90s): https://dvd.fandom.com/wiki/MGM_Contemporary_Classics
• Here is a MGM VHS promo highlighting the two collections for sale (refer 1:22 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6NUj3AsCQ&ab_channel=VHSTRADERS
• Here is a MGM "Contemporary Classics" VHS promo (refer 0.55 - 1:02 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mhpb4MpIrU&ab_channel=retroVHStrailers
The voiceover stated: "MGM Contemporary Classics. What great movies are all about. Collect them all"
Both VINTAGE CLASSICS and CONTEMPORARY CLASSICS were different collections of classic films from MGM's library, and the rules state collections can be considered for the edition field.
The rules do not state the word "Collection" must be part of the edition name. | | | | Last edited: May 3, 2024 7:17 AM by ObiKen |
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