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| Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Thanks for the clarification Ken. I come out on the wrong end of this but, such is life. I am man enough to admit I read it wrong.  And I can admit I was less than clear on my first post in retrospect. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
You are over analyzing the words that he posted in the forums. What he actually did is far more telling. So it would seem.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
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Thanks for the clarification Ken. I come out on the wrong end of this but, such is life. I am man enough to admit I read it wrong.
And I can admit I was less than clear on my first post in retrospect. No worries. It gives us something to bicker about.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still like the "Slip Case" checkbox solution better as it allows you to more accurately profile the "entire" package.
I understand that it would mean updates to a bunch of profiles, but, to me it would be worth the effort. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | "But the argument carries on, goes round corners, crosses the road, turns back on itself and eventually ends up somewhere neither of us have ever been before - at least not sober, and not during daylight hours."
How strange that I thought about this forum when I read this in a book a few minutes ago
EDIT: And I agree with Hal. A checkbox to indicate slip case would satisfy both camps here. | | | 
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
EDIT: And I agree with Hal. A checkbox to indicate slip case would satisfy both camps here. That's also on the table. I stayed away from that not due to programming difficulty but due to the impact on contributions. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
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EDIT: And I agree with Hal. A checkbox to indicate slip case would satisfy both camps here.
That's also on the table. I stayed away from that not due to programming difficulty but due to the impact on contributions. Well, it wouldn't be quite as bad as CoO!  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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EDIT: And I agree with Hal. A checkbox to indicate slip case would satisfy both camps here.
That's also on the table. I stayed away from that not due to programming difficulty but due to the impact on contributions.
Well, it wouldn't be quite as bad as CoO! Maybe that's why he is staying away from it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken,
Anyway to pull the number of "Slip Case" case types we have in the main db? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | No easy way to pull that from the db - only sortable fields are normalized. A slip case checkbox also leaves an unanswered question for me. What would be the case type for a box set which has mixed content (e.g. some keep cases and an envelope)? | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
No easy way to pull that from the db - only sortable fields are normalized. A slip case checkbox also leaves an unanswered question for me. What would be the case type for a box set which has mixed content (e.g. some keep cases and an envelope)? If you make case type optional, for the parent you could leave it blank and just tick the "Slip Case" check box. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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Thank you. That sounds most logical in my mind, and it looks like the majority agrees on that solution.
Agree. Thanks, Ken.
There will be some releases (Alien Quad) that will generate some discussion, but overall I like the direction. If I understand Ken's clarification, how could this be input as anything other than a digipak for parent and child profiles. I think the only debatable type would be a box set packaging that has only 1 profile, eg Movie & Bonus disc in individual keep-cases inside a slip case. Following Ken's post I would say that we use the internal case, in this instance, Keep Case. Quoting Ken Cole Quote:
The intent of this direction is to require the least changes to existing types, and to accurately reflect the case that holds the discs. bolding is mine. | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
If I understand Ken's clarification, how could this be input as anything other than a digipak for parent and child profiles. I can live with that. I just know that particular set has been mentioned as an issue by others. I don't particularly care either way. I'm satisfied with the direction he's going in. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
First let me apologize for not monitoring this more closely. I had my nose too close to the coding grindstone and I didn't expect the furor over case type so fast.
I use this forum to gauge user responses to changes and intents before making changes to the rules, so don't interpret anything as a rule here until it's in the rule pages. Feel free to dispute, argue, post alternatives, etc.
That said, here is another attempt to clarify the slip case usage, as I see it. The 'Slip Case' case type is to be used for box sets only, and only for box sets which contain more than one physical case within. Profiles for the child cases should use the case type of the individual contents.
Examples:
- Slip cover over keep case: Keep Case
- Slip cover over multi-disc digipak: Digipak
- Slip cover over multiple individual keep cases: Slip Case for parent, Keep Case for children
The intent of this direction is to require the least changes to existing types, and to accurately reflect the case that holds the discs. I knew it was like this all along  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken:
I have no real problem, however I think a slip case and slip cover check box would be useful. to better clarify what is going on in a particular title. It could also, if you saw my discussion of it earlier, provide a benefit to many users, which BTW could also be used with Holloywood and there silly re-releasing with different covers. You can allow multiple UPC entries for a single, or could.
So in these cases where, for example, Hollywood releases a title in a slip, we check the box. Later when they run through the slip supply and issue a re-release at a reduced price users who own this would not check the slip cover. Thus both batches of users would be able to have correct data for their purchase Online. Same could be true of the cover art issue. Of course, users would HAVE to include the notation as part of their notes to make it easier on you and to help prevent the potential problems that could arise of a user generated nature.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
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EDIT: And I agree with Hal. A checkbox to indicate slip case would satisfy both camps here.
That's also on the table. I stayed away from that not due to programming difficulty but due to the impact on contributions. Have you looked at the proposal I made (Method 1) that has been discussed here, and which I posted in Features. I'd like to know that it at least got a look see and some consideration. | | | John
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