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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | While ignoring the example which brings context to the entire Rule. OK, your choice...wrong...but your choice. What you have told me is that your parsing is done to achieve your desired objective instead of reading the enitire thins and creating a context around which a correct conclusion can be reached. Kind iof reminds of researchers who approach their work with a predetermined answer in mind and therefoere the only data which is relevant is that data which fits the predetermined answer.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why should we not treat Bklade Runner as just another boxset. No change need to be made to the Rules to redefine Bonus feature Film. It's just a Boxset, seems like the easiest answer to me, this would also apply to CE3K or any other Extended cut, Director's Cut etc. I still don't get why we need multiple profiles, but Boxset works without modification.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
While ignoring the example which brings context to the entire Rule. OK, your choice...wrong...but your choice. What you have told me is that your parsing is done to achieve your desired objective instead of reading the enitire thins and creating a context around which a correct conclusion can be reached. You assume far too much. I don't own any of these sets, not a single one, so I have no desired objective. As a parser, all I do is break the rules down, grammatically, in order to see what they actually say...as opposed to what people think they say. That is my only objective. I can't skew the results because the words used mean what they mean. I can't, using the the current rule as an example, make the rule mean what you want it to mean. The use of the word 'some'...because it means being one, a part, or an unspecified number of something...negates any specificity. I am sorry, but that is a fact. Quote:
Kind iof reminds of researchers who approach their work with a predetermined answer in mind and therefoere the only data which is relevant is that data which fits the predetermined answer.
Skip<shrugs> This made me chuckle...just a little. Based on your last post, it is you who has a predetermined answer. Because you made the prototype, you have the only answer. The fact that the rule isn't written to support your answer is besides the point.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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All you have to do is READ the entire Rule, Hal. The attitude in your comment is ummmmmm pretty combative, at the least. 
ummmmmm, and accusing people of 'selective reading' and 'looking for loopholes' isn't? 
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Such a comment is not only not productive and argumentative.
And comments such as, "you are selectively reading the Rule to create your interpretation," are? 
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You are not in a position to make such a definitive comment. Why must you turn every discussion into a war by making comments like this?
Neither are you and I could ask you the same exact question. 
As I am sure you are aware, Martian, there are comment s that i could add. For example, it was myself that designed the bonus Feature Film prototype that Ken accepted to begin with so I think I know what I am talking about.....hmmmmm.Hal did not design it.
I don't consider "selective reading" to be insulting or in any way attacking. It is a statement of FACT, and the only way you can achieve such an interpretation is through slectively readingh what it is that you wish to interpret, while ignoring the whole, you as a parser par excellence should undferstand that concept. <shrugs>
Skip (bolding by me) Skip you can't expect us to know what your intentions were when you wrote or co-wrote this rule. Whatever it was it's not in the rule as it's written right now. Simple as that, sorry. Maybe treating those sets as box sets would be an option, but that's not the point right now. I am still waiting for you to point me to the rules to understand your "interpretation". Please quote the section for me. So I can see where you are coming from. Right now it looks to me that you are just defending the intentions behind creating the rules but not what's written in the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Why should we not treat Bklade Runner as just another boxset. No change need to be made to the Rules to redefine Bonus feature Film. It's just a Boxset, seems like the easiest answer to me, this would also apply to CE3K or any other Extended cut, Director's Cut etc. I still don't get why we need multiple profiles, but Boxset works without modification.
Skip Because, per the Box Set rules, all data would have to be stripped from the parent profile and there are people who do not want that. The best answer, the easiest answer, is to treat these as bonus feature films. By doing that, both sides get what they want. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
There is no mention of anything would could be translated as Blade Runner.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
There is no mention of anything would could be translated as Blade Runner.
Skip And the part where it says "some examples" (underlined by me) doesn't have any meaning to you??? Please Skip. Why not just admit that the rules aren't clear, no matter what the intentions were???? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director. There is no mention of anything that could be translated as these are the only possible examples. At this point, we are just talking in circles. Time to agree to disagree and hope that Ken might chime in. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
There is no mention of anything would could be translated as Blade Runner.
Skip The list isn't exhaustive and doesn't cover all possibilities. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, Dark and it includes specific examples. Like i said why not just call this a boxset, no Rule change needs to be structured and argued, it's just a Boxset. And you are keying onone single word out of many to allow you to create your interpretatiion. A boxset seems to make more sense.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
There is no mention of anything would could be translated as Blade Runner.
Skip
The list isn't exhaustive and doesn't cover all possibilities. It also does not allow for creative interpretation . Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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All you have to do is READ the entire Rule, Hal. The attitude in your comment is ummmmmm pretty combative, at the least.
ummmmmm, and accusing people of 'selective reading' and 'looking for loopholes' isn't?
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Such a comment is not only not productive and argumentative.
And comments such as, "you are selectively reading the Rule to create your interpretation," are?
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You are not in a position to make such a definitive comment. Why must you turn every discussion into a war by making comments like this?
Neither are you and I could ask you the same exact question.
As I am sure you are aware, Martian, there are comment s that i could add. For example, it was myself that designed the bonus Feature Film prototype that Ken accepted to begin with so I think I know what I am talking about.....hmmmmm.Hal did not design it.
I don't consider "selective reading" to be insulting or in any way attacking. It is a statement of FACT, and the only way you can achieve such an interpretation is through slectively readingh what it is that you wish to interpret, while ignoring the whole, you as a parser par excellence should undferstand that concept. <shrugs>
Skip
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Skip you can't expect us to know what your intentions were when you wrote or co-wrote this rule. Whatever it was it's not in the rule as it's written right now. Simple as that, sorry.
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Maybe treating those sets as box sets would be an option, but that's not the point right now.
I am still waiting for you to point me to the rules to understand your "interpretation". Please quote the section for me. So I can see where you are coming from. Right now it looks to me that you are just defending the intentions behind creating the rules but not what's written in the rules. Why, when I can tell you exactly what it was about. Because you want to do it some other way, that's why. The difference between profiler and our constitution is that the Supreme Court can not ask ourfounding fathers what their intent was. You can ask, and you can even get answers, but then if you don't like the answer you from someone who does know, you argue the point.  Because of Martian's attitude about such statements I have tried very hard to avoid them. The facts are as i have explained them, like it or not. You have succeeded in convincing me that path of least resistance is not to to try and rework the Rule to include Blade Runner et al, but to simply call Blade Runner and others a Boxset. No changes need to ne made, no arguments need to had, just an ordibnary boxset. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please stop calling them specific as they are called "same examples" in the rules and not specific examples.
I am not creative at all here, I am just following the written word of the rules while you are following the intentions that the rules were written under.
Ken needs to change the rules, either for "Box Sets" or "Bonus Films". Either exclude "different cuts" of a movie or not. There is no other way this debate will come to and end and the case be solved. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again, a thread in which there is one person who interprets things differently from everyone else and just goes on and on and on. ad nauseum.
Please stop feeding the troll! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Why, when I can tell you exactly what it was about. Because you want to do it some other way, that's why.
The difference between profiler and our constitution is that the Supreme Court can not ask ourfounding fathers what their intent was. You can ask, and you can even get answers, but then if you don't like the answer you from someone who does know, you argue the point. Wait, I just want to be sure I have you correct here, are you now saying you wrote the rule as well? I certainly hope that isn't what you are claiming. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Please stop feeding the troll! Ah the other shoe finaklly dropped, just as it always does, along with a very insulting remark.   Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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