I honestly don't know what you're talking about, Skip. I believe you and I are in complete agreement on the matter, and always have been. My stance certainly hasn't changed - has yours? So once again, I find myself completely stumped over what you mean with this post.

If you really want to pick a fight, maybe do it over something we actually disagree on?

Ignoring Sam's documentation so we can go back to square one  briefly.  I see users claim that DiLascio would be following standarad caps. I don't where that standard comes from, that is their own assumed standarad. Di or di Lascio would be standard, but when it is placed into a single word Di has no meaning in and of it's own, without the doc provided by friend Sam, it is simply two letters in the name which could be the Italian preposition for of  or from and ,m ight NOT be as well. I am pleased that Sam was able to provide doc to support DiLascio. But that documentation  would need to be provided or this thread referenced in any and all contributions involving DILASCIO, otherwise we achieve very little except give the appearance that our database is a free-for-all. But otherwise, the only way to deal with these things until Ken rectifies it is going to be locally and through the Online by default.

Let's take a credit and two users the credit is DILASCIO, once again ignoring Sam's doc to explain this issue . User A has Dilascio in his database, user B as DiLascio, without the documentation and simply based upon the Rules, both are correct, now we have a film that has a credit of DiLascio, without documentation that this new credit is correct what should be done, user A would likely be best going with Dilascio(DiLascio), else this would risk throwing his other data regarding the name into disarray.
Now let's suppose that the CLT records Dilascio,and User B has found the DiLascio credit, again without any other supporting documentation what should he do...well it is very simple based upon the Rules and the DATA, Dilascio is correct per the Rules and indicates one of two possible credit styles On Screen Dilascio or DILASCIO, without documentation to the contrary then Dilascio would be correct and user B should handle it as Dilascio(DiLascio).

The above discussion is purely an academic exercise now that we have documentation to support DiLascio, but i hope it is clear in the best to deal with this beased on the DATA and the Rules, and let's hope that Ken rectifieds this problem SOON...like yesterday maybe.

Skip

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Let's take a credit and two users the credit is DILASCIO, once again ignoring Sam's doc to explain this issue . User A has Dilascio in his database, user B as DiLascio, without the documentation and simply based upon the Rules, both are correct, now we have a film that has a credit of DiLascio, without documentation that this new credit is correct what should be done, user A would likely be best going with Dilascio(DiLascio), else this would risk throwing his other data regarding the name into disarray.
Now let's suppose that the CLT records Dilascio,and User B has found the DiLascio credit, again without any other supporting documentation what should he do...well it is very simple based upon the Rules and the DATA, Dilascio is correct per the Rules and indicates one of two possible credit styles On Screen Dilascio or DILASCIO, without documentation to the contrary then Dilascio would be correct and user B should handle it as Dilascio(DiLascio).

I am sorry, but there is no reason for any of this extra work because you can not have 'Dilascio' and 'DiLascio' in your local.  The program ignores capitalization.

If I have 'Diane DiLascio' in my local, and download a profile with 'Diane Dilascio', my entry will not change.  I will still have 'Diane DiLascio'.  The only people who suffer, if it can even be called that, are the ones who download the name for the first time.  They will get whichever one is contained in the profile they download and it will remain until they decide to change it.

As for the 'credited as', since the CLT ignores capitalization, how are you going to determine which is more common?  Using 'Danny DeVito' as an example:

"Danny DeVito" is credited in the following 359 titles (1732 profiles)

"Danny Devito" is credited in the following 359 titles (1732 profiles)

"DANNY DEVITO" is credited in the following 359 titles (1732 profiles)

"danny devito" is credited in the following 359 titles (1732 profiles)

"DaNnY dEvItO" is credited in the following 359 titles (1732 profiles)

As you can see, no matter how I choose to capitalize the name, the CLT returns the same exact results so there is not way to determine a common name...nor is there really any need to.

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I personally agree with that but what if you have one film that credits him as Dilascio & another with DiLascio.

As I said, I agree with you, I'm only trying to cover any extra possibilities.

From a CLT point of view, it would be 1 name and 2 titles.  From a data entry point of view, I would have to see the credits.  If both credits were displayed in mixed case, meaning they are credited exactly as you wrote them, I would have to do the research to see which was correct.  I can't have both entries in my local, so I have to pick one.

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what if you have one film that credits him as Dilascio & another with DiLascio.

You use the "credited as" system, obviously. This really is no different from entering like "J. K. Simmons [J.K. Simmons]" or "Robert Downey, Jr. [Robert Downey Jr.]".

Obviously, based on what?  In the two examples that you gave, Ken made the decision to create the credited as standard outside the use of the CLT.  No such standard exists for capitalization.  Unless you can show me the post, you are just making that standard up.

Normal use of the 'credited as' feature requires a common name as determined by the CLT.  Since CLT does not distinguish between 'DiLascio' and 'Dilascio', how would you decide which name to use?  Flip a coin?

Love that movie. 

Martian...Don't drive angry.

Tim has it correct this is a primarily a local question. If I have Dilascio and the credit reads DiLascio, I am not going to change the entry and gum all of the other data on the basis of one film. I am going to record Dilascio(DiLascio) to capture the On Screen credit and i would not contribute just based on that data. If HOWEVER there was other data to be Contributed in that group then I would explain in my notes that this was simply a result of the known flaw in the program relative to its inability to distinguish between lower and upper case.

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