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I already gave my best answer on the fork in the road, Taro. I think it will affect the profile based upon your locality. I can understand such forks, especially in R2 where there are so many languages so close together.

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Most likely my "depth of misunderstanding" is getting in the way, but I still don't see how that solves the issue at hand:
My player is set to French then the French subs are available. My player is set to Dutch then the Dutch subtitles are available. In both instances, the locality as well as the UPC are the same. So which tracks do I submit then? Or do I make two profiles with the exact same UPC and locality, both with a different set of subtitles? Is such a thing even possible?

I don't have your advanced level of intelligence, so I can't see the answer for such issues ...

Taro:

Based on the above back handed slap. I have never questioned your intelligence. What I see all too often from many users is a narrow focus on their objective. There are ocassions when i am not clearly understanding what someone is saying, it happens to all of us. But I do try religiously to try and keep the At-Large Community at heart, instead of what I might want to see, and I try to avoid situations, such as this one which have the potential to inroduce confusion for large numbers of users. Sometimes I can't provide the answer that I would like to provide, even to what you believe was a compromise, it is but it doesn't do anything to alleviate the potential for confusion. For all you and I know, Taro, Ken has already coded something for the next rellease which help to address this issue, were it I, I would have already done so, but that doesn't help today, and that is our limitation, TODAY, not what you and I want to see tomorrow. Be patient and I am certain, we will see something somewhere down the road, I hope so. I want you to be able to deal with this as you want, but we aren't there yet.

One more aside, your suggestion was actually one the first options I considered, before I realized the ramifications and settled on the Easter Egg only solution, sorry guy. It was the BEST i could do, all things considered for now.

If I have any question for you now, taro, since Ken has made his statement, why do your Contributions still stand, what is your objective, why not submit the EasterEggs as Ken has stated, it gives me cause for pause.

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Are these languages not listed on the cover?  If they're on the cover, and physically on the disc, there's no reason not to include them.

So, I'd say in the specific case of tri-lingual Belgium, for discs which dynamically configure their language options depending on the configuration of the player, in cases where the languages are not listed on the cover, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis.

Ah yes, silly me. It's a dual language cover so if it's OK to use that as the source, then indeed all languages can be included. Problem solved.


Skip, one last remark on the unfortunate Matrix issue.
- You think it's best to include the tracks in the Easter Eggs
- I think it's best to include the tracks themselves
After discussing the matter, I tried to meet you half-way and proposed then to add the tracks and also add notes in the Easter Eggs explaining how to access those tracks, so confused users can at least find the necessary info. This was my attempt to reconcile both mine and your views. Unfortunately, you prerceived that as me trying to push my views on others (whereas it is actually you who refuse to move even an inch).
Having exhausted virtually all possible ways of compromising and trying to meet you half-way in this discussion and other discussion and after having you question my intelligence on more than one occasion, I'll now also forum block, because I think our discussions will never result in any concensus. I tried to meet you half-way on several occasions but if you refuse to budge even an inch, there's really nothing left to say between us.

There is no need to meet Skip half way. He is just a user like you or me. He has no rights that are greater then yours or mine. His votes count no more or less than any other user (yes I know there is a magic formula that rates voters based on their past voting matching the screeners). I have had profiles approved that he voted no on.

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Well, at the very least I tried to meet halfway. I know one user isn't worth more than another or doesn't speak for an entire community, but given the fact that some other voters seemed to follow his lead, I thought it was worth to try and meet them halfway. Instead that was perceived as me being irrational and trying to push my views on others. Oh well, so be it. I'm done submitting but I'll still keep voting.

I do see your point pdf and in fact, I agree on your stance that one user isn't above the rest. Good point.

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Are these languages not listed on the cover?  If they're on the cover, and physically on the disc, there's no reason not to include them.

So, I'd say in the specific case of tri-lingual Belgium, for discs which dynamically configure their language options depending on the configuration of the player, in cases where the languages are not listed on the cover, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis.

Switzerland is exactly the same - it even has four official languages (the Swiss variety of German, and then there's French, Italian and Rumantsch).

The cases that Forget and I were referring to do however NOT depend on the configuration of the player. The language choice for the DVD menu pops up every time you pop in the DVD, regardless of settings. It is quite possible to e.g. choose German one time and French the next, even in one session, without fiddling with the settings. This is where these are different from Taro's original Matrix case.

We have the same thing here in the USA giving you a choice of English or Spanish menus. Most of the time you find this on Spanish language films released here in R1. So far I have not seen any difference between the menu contents, but as a English speaker, that is the menu I choose.

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I am sorry, but I haven't been here all weekend and am now faced with this 7-page thread full of "walls of text". Can someone who followed this more closely please confirm to me whether

a) we purely go by the "Audio" button on the remote control

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b) we go by the menu and add everything additionally available through the audio button in the Easter Eggs


(t is a) how I understand the rules, remember their intent and understand Ken's first post in this thread...)

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Are these languages not listed on the cover?  If they're on the cover, and physically on the disc, there's no reason not to include them.

So, I'd say in the specific case of tri-lingual Belgium, for discs which dynamically configure their language options depending on the configuration of the player, in cases where the languages are not listed on the cover, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis.

Ah yes, silly me. It's a dual language cover so if it's OK to use that as the source, then indeed all languages can be included. Problem solved.


Skip, one last remark on the unfortunate Matrix issue.
- You think it's best to include the tracks in the Easter Eggs
- I think it's best to include the tracks themselves
After discussing the matter, I tried to meet you half-way and proposed then to add the tracks and also add notes in the Easter Eggs explaining how to access those tracks, so confused users can at least find the necessary info. This was my attempt to reconcile both mine and your views. Unfortunately, you prerceived that as me trying to push my views on others (whereas it is actually you who refuse to move even an inch).
Having exhausted virtually all possible ways of compromising and trying to meet you half-way in this discussion and other discussion and after having you question my intelligence on more than one occasion, I'll now also forum block, because I think our discussions will never result in any concensus. I tried to meet you half-way on several occasions but if you refuse to budge even an inch, there's really nothing left to say between us.

There is no need to meet Skip half way. He is just a user like you or me. He has no rights that are greater then yours or mine. His votes count no more or less than any other user (yes I know there is a magic formula that rates voters based on their past voting matching the screeners). I have had profiles approved that he voted no on.

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Note for ken, it is precisely these sorts of unnecessary comments which inflame things around here.

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Note for ken, it is precisely these sorts of unnecessary comments which inflame things around here.

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Note for skip .. if you want to send a note to Ken there is a PM that can be used so as not to inflame the situation.  No need to clutter up this discussion.  I fail to see how mentioning that you are just a user like anyone else can be inflamatory.

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Note for ken, it is precisely these sorts of unnecessary comments which inflame things around here.
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Note for skip .. if you want to send a note to Ken there is a PM that can be used so as not to inflame the situation.  No need to clutter up this discussion.  I fail to see how mentioning that you are just a user like anyone else can be inflamatory.

Diidn't you know? We are all dolts around here (Skippy's words, not mine) so daring to suggest that he is no different than the rest of us is an insult of the highest order. 

Is this nonsense still going on four pages after Ken made his ruling?