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Contributing to Profiles of DVD's you Don't Own |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
While I feel for you, Ken and Gerri have both made statements saying you should not contribute profiles for discs you do not own. For me, that should be the end of it...at least for anybody who reads these forums. This cant be true. The post quoted from Gerri is a 2-way road. It can mean either way, though it sertainly makes it look like they wouldnt be allowed. But just the fact that the program itself makes notion to "upcoming releases" in several places, means its not 100% true. What ive gathered through the years, Ken and Gerri allow, knowingly, a lot more "freedom" in smaller regions. Same way as a small town has a lot less burecracy then a big city  Instead of slamming down loads of smaller localities, why there cant be an unwritten rule that this shouldnt be done to big localities? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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While I feel for you, Ken and Gerri have both made statements saying you should not contribute profiles for discs you do not own. For me, that should be the end of it...at least for anybody who reads these forums.
This cant be true. The post quoted from Gerri is a 2-way road. It can mean either way, though it sertainly makes it look like they wouldnt be allowed. But just the fact that the program itself makes notion to "upcoming releases" in several places, means its not 100% true. That is why they said 'should not', instead of 'do not'. Pre-release data is an obvious exception...but even then, people should not contribute data that has to be mined from the actual DVD. Quote:
What ive gathered through the years, Ken and Gerri allow, knowingly, a lot more "freedom" in smaller regions. Same way as a small town has a lot less burecracy then a big city I don't live in a small reagion so have no way of knowing whether or not this observation is correct. Quote:
Instead of slamming down loads of smaller localities, why there cant be an unwritten rule that this shouldnt be done to big localities? This is not my program so I can't make that decision. All I can do is interpret the rules the best that I can and follow Ken's and Gerri's clarifications when they make them. If the people who do contribute across regions want to make that agreement, well...out of sight, out of mind...but I still don't think it should be done.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I don't live in a small reagion so have no way of knowing whether or not this observation is correct.
Neither do i (know if its a correct observation). The only concrete desision ive seen was when Gerri (or was it Ken?) said copying cast/crew to other profiles is allowed, eventhough most US users said it conflicts with the CLT. Sometimes (to me) the fact that they dont make an "official statement" speaks its own language. And i'm not talking about breaking the rules, just the way you can interpret the rules. Quote:
If the people who do contribute across regions want to make that agreement, well...out of sight, out of mind...but I still don't think it should be done. Shame to hear that, more so because i know you understand reason when you see it. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Copying another profile for a DVD that I already own is OK because I can then verify the data/info to be correct. I have done this for Blu-ray disc that I own and will continue. I copy the info from a DVD and clone it to the Blu-ray profile. Then I put the Blu-ray disc into my player and make sure all info is correct, if there is info missing or incorrect for the Blu-ray disc I then fix it. I only do this to save on time and work but like I just said I verify it to the disc in hand.
I have a problem with when people update the profile on hand then take that info and clone it to all the other regions. There is no way for those users to verifiy that the info is correct for all the other regions. | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with Dragon on all counts. |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
Copying another profile for a DVD that I already own is OK because I can then verify the data/info to be correct. I have done this for Blu-ray disc that I own and will continue. I copy the info from a DVD and clone it to the Blu-ray profile. Then I put the Blu-ray disc into my player and make sure all info is correct, if there is info missing or incorrect for the Blu-ray disc I then fix it. I only do this to save on time and work but like I just said I verify it to the disc in hand.
I have a problem with when people update the profile on hand then take that info and clone it to all the other regions. There is no way for those users to verifiy that the info is correct for all the other regions. I've done this as well. Here's a few suggestions I have for help with cleaning up the database without blindly saying you own every version of a particular title. In region 1 at least, I see lots of dvds with the same disc ID, yet the UPC is off by a number or 2. This is usually for rental versions (before those became totally different discs, thank you Weinsteins  ). In cases like this, it's safe to say that if the disc ID is the same, the contents will be as well. Therefore, copying the profile you just did from one to the others wouldn't result in bad info and would help clean out any bad data. If we could see who owns what dvds without blindly looking through collections, then we could use PM and such to have other regions checked against each other, then correct what needs fixing. We could also establish a database of which titles have different credits from region to region. Then we could establish common names for more actors and sound people in the process. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 350 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
In region 1 at least, I see lots of dvds with the same disc ID, yet the UPC is off by a number or 2. This is usually for rental versions (before those became totally different discs, thank you Weinsteins ). I agree with your comments, but just wanted to add the datum that I have seen many DVDs where the UPC differed by 1 or 2 (ignoring the checkdigit, of course  ) which were Canadian versions of the identical US release; I rather expect that they only need to change the exterior packaging for such releases, and they use the same media stock, with the same Disc ID. So in my area, that tends to be the reason. I never look at rentals, so didn't know that (if?) they were different (how odd!) ... | | | | -fred |
| | Registered: December 16, 2007 |  Posts: 926 |
| | Posted: | | | | Enlightening, Fred, thanks! |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FredLooks: Quote:
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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In region 1 at least, I see lots of dvds with the same disc ID, yet the UPC is off by a number or 2. This is usually for rental versions (before those became totally different discs, thank you Weinsteins ).
I agree with your comments, but just wanted to add the datum that I have seen many DVDs where the UPC differed by 1 or 2 (ignoring the checkdigit, of course ) which were Canadian versions of the identical US release; I rather expect that they only need to change the exterior packaging for such releases, and they use the same media stock, with the same Disc ID. So in my area, that tends to be the reason. I never look at rentals, so didn't know that (if?) they were different (how odd!) ... Not all rentals are different, most are just a UPC number or 2 off. Every Lionsgate disc I've bought from Hollywood or Blockbuster is the same disc ID as the retail version, but I had to manually enter 90% of the UPC's as they weren't there yet. It's Dimension who now makes different discs for rent. Most have less special features, although at the same time most have different special features. They also quit sending unrated versions to BB, so say you want to see Feast 2 or 3. You can buy the unrated dvds choke-full of extras, but if you rent them you get R-Rated barebones. Even the R versions I see for sale at Wal-Mart have extras, but not the rents, so that's at least 3 different discs per movie. I can't see how this makes finacial sense for them. Lionsgate having the same disc in differnt cases makes sense, you might want different UPC's to keep track of what's doing what salewise. I haven't seen evidence of this crossing over to all BVHE titles, just the ones with those ugly "Blockbuster Exclusive" banners seem to have different discs in them, although they all might. Everytime I buy a BVHE, I get a blue screen that says "this disc intended for sale only", so I guess if that said rent, it would be a different disc as well. All of those discs are ones that have bastardized rental version though, so hopefully it's not eveything. I really hate the Weinsteins. The sooner Blockbuster dies the better, that exclusive deal just sucks for the fans like me who hate BB to begin with. Now I can't even break my boycott and rent Dimension Extreme titles I want to check out without blind buying, since they're all watered down versions. Thankfully there's torrents for titles I'm on the fence about. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
A thought, maybe you should have to have the disc in the drive to contribute changes to the Profile as confirmation to the programme that you own the disc? A thought, maybe you should have to have the disc in the drive to vote on changes to the Profile as confirmation to the programme that you own the disc? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bad idea for those of us with our discs in storage, I have no idea which box it might be in. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | If your discs are in storage, you shouldn't be voting anyway as you haven't been able to verify the data. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
A thought, maybe you should have to have the disc in the drive to vote on changes to the Profile as confirmation to the programme that you own the disc? Nice idea but my PC does not have a Blu-ray player, so how would I vote on the movies I own? I would not be able to. When I vote on a Blu-ray movie I put it into my PS3 to verify the data to be correct. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
If your discs are in storage, you shouldn't be voting anyway as you haven't been able to verify the data. WRONG. I have my data and they were audited BEFORE they went in to storage and i will trust my data before yours.   Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
If your discs are in storage, you shouldn't be voting anyway as you haven't been able to verify the data. The hell? Do some of you really go out dig the disc and verify all fields on every contribution? I know i dont, i rarely ever dig out the disc. And when i do, it doesnt matter what type of storage solution i use. Edit: ...and to clarify, some of you are getting a bit carried away. If you want to kill DVD Profiler and make people stop using the online and stop contributing, then by all means continue. But this is volunteer work, it should be made as convinient as possible, if we want as complete database as possible. I sure as hell wount use my freetime for burecracy. | | | | Last edited: by whispering |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with whispering here. If you happen to own a collection of considerable size, it becomes a nightmare having to consult every individual disc before casting a vote, no matter if they're in storage or not.
We should encourage and facilitate both contributing and voting, not make it a full-time job. Some DVDP users already have (paid) jobs to perform and lives to live. So I would say: let's make it as easy as possible for the average user to find all information he or she needs to contribute and vote in accordance with the rules. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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