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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | For posts I would be tempted to only restore them if they're the starting post in a thread along with the thread title. At the moment there are a number of threads that are potentially quite useful but currently useless without that first post. I don't know if the forum used here allows it but with some you can transfer ownership of posts to other people.
As for links I've got no opinion as I've never used them & until this wasn't aware of them! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would restore the first posts of threads at least (or even just the titles of the threads) and transfer the links to someone who wishes to adopt them. The links contain no personal information related to Giga, so those shouldn't pose an ethical dilemma. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Yes, that's true and it's something I did consider. I'm open to reconsidering this. The post history isn't going anywhere, nor is the link history, so the restore can be done regardless of elapsed time. Thoughts? I agree with AESP_pres. Like it or not, we are a community of users and, at some point, what is in the best interest of the community has to be considered. As has been said, several times, Giga was a valued member of that community and his posts held valuable information. The pofile links he contributed were also valuable. To allow them to be deleted serves no purpose...other than to hurt the community. You wouldn't allow him to remove his profile contributions, would you? Why should posts and links be any different? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Yes, that's true and it's something I did consider. I'm open to reconsidering this. The post history isn't going anywhere, nor is the link history, so the restore can be done regardless of elapsed time. Thoughts? I would definitely support the restoration of the links. 11,000+ completely removed (and surely more linked to related titles/profiles) serves no positive purpose to the community. | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 252 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Yes, that's true and it's something I did consider. I'm open to reconsidering this. The post history isn't going anywhere, nor is the link history, so the restore can be done regardless of elapsed time. Thoughts? Personally: 1. All posts in Technical Support. Mr Giaga had been consistently active & very helpful there, and that forum is the primary point for all product support - a critical resource. 2. All thread titles & perhaps content of top post. These are necessary for finding relevant topics of discussion. As to links... perhaps Dr. Killpatient may want to adopt their ownership, since he went to the work of finding out the specifics, but agree they should probably be returned to service. Beyond that, I have no further opinion... but really, if not a global restore, then each post would have to be evaluated on it's own merit within context of the associated thread - but that's going to mean reviewing probably ~500 or more individual posts. | | | | Last edited: by Cyclograph |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Cyclograph: Quote:
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but that's going to mean reviewing probably ~500 or more individual posts. In Giga's case, it is 3,815 individual posts.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I find it strange that an awful lot of people here seem to be more concerned about the loss of information than they are about the fact that a long-term contributor to both the forums and the database has been driven away.
Giga was always passionate about the Profiler community, it's only fitting that his departure be equally passionate.
I say let the deletions stand as a reminder of exactly what our bad attitudes and intolerant posts can actually cost us! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | My personal feelings are that once you put something out there on a public forum, your ownership stake has been forfeited and you don't get to erase history just because you have a fit of pique. I think this is a terrible precedent for one person to be allowed to disrupt the entire community.
If I came on these boards and spammed the heck out of them, I'd lose my posting privileges and would likely have my posts scrubbed. Yet when an equally disruptive community act occurs, we're debating taking the hit in order to respect a member's feelings. Nevermind that the member presumably could care less about ours, given their actions.
Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but when my kid throws a temper tantrum, the last thing I do is cater to it. The bottom line is that if this is left to stand, then any member can threaten the community with another message board bomb. That's a bunch of crap. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Cyclograph:
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but that's going to mean reviewing probably ~500 or more individual posts.
In Giga's case, it is 3,815 individual posts. That could be cut down just by looking for subjects that start with ".". I don't want to assume ownership of the links (too much stuff going on) but I also didn't want them to fall into limbo. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I find it strange that an awful lot of people here seem to be more concerned about the loss of information than they are about the fact that a long-term contributor to both the forums and the database has been driven away. Not that I'm happy about his decision to left, but this is his decision and he is not the first or the last valuable user to quit the forum. This is something that happens on every forum, even me I've not gone to some forum where I am a member for more than a year. But usually we just don't come back and that's all, we don't delete all our messages. I've no idea what had make him that angry since I've not read anything unusual on the board recently (keep in mind that I don't read the 4 or more pages topic), but I don't understand why everyone must pay for one or two stupid users (I don't mean Giga here). Maybe his post in the technical section should be restore and maybe the profile link (I don't use them, so I've no idea if this is usefull or not), for the rest no problem to keep it deleted as he wish since the other part of the forum are more "chat zone". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I find it strange that an awful lot of people here seem to be more concerned about the loss of information than they are about the fact that a long-term contributor to both the forums and the database has been driven away. I find it strange that you have missed all the posts expressing concern over his leaving. The truth of the matter is that everybody who has posted, unless I have missed something, has expressed their concern. Unfortunately, Giga has made up his mind and will not be coming back. Since he isn't, we feel it important not to lose all the valuable contributions he made while he was here. Quote:
Giga was always passionate about the Profiler community, it's only fitting that his departure be equally passionate.
I say let the deletions stand as a reminder of exactly what our bad attitudes and intolerant posts can actually cost us! Unfortunately, that isn't what will be remembered. Instead of being remembered for all the good things he contributed, Giga will be remembered for the childish way he decided to leave. Sad, but true. In addition, since they posted while I was typing, I agree with both AESP_pres and mdnitoil. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: December 22, 2008 | | Posts: 76 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Yes, that's true and it's something I did consider. I'm open to reconsidering this. The post history isn't going anywhere, nor is the link history, so the restore can be done regardless of elapsed time. Thoughts? I'm new here, only registered a couple of months ago. This is only my second post. Ken, I too run a small software company (we write software for EMS/Police/Fire 911 dispatch systems). Although we don't have a forum, I've been thinking about what I'd do in your position. Firstly, do you have an official policy about the "ownership" of your user's posts and content contributions? If not, you probably should institute one. Secondly, by providing your users a way to delete posts implies (to me at least) that the user has the last say if his post/content is to stay deleted. Ken, you have a tough decision to make. You have to balance your respect for the individual who deleted their content, with the needs and expectations of the community here. My personal opinion in this specific case? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.... or the one." Poo (Scott) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Cyclograph:
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but that's going to mean reviewing probably ~500 or more individual posts.
In Giga's case, it is 3,815 individual posts. He only deleted around 750. (I guess maybe Ken's foum mod stopped him eventually to remove older stuff. If you go to his post-history, the stuff after page 30 or so is still there.) If it's a question of respect, then I'd agree that still at least opneing posts of threads should be reinstated. Of course I agree with James, that the profile links should definetely be restored somehow. Sorry to see Giga go. He had always been a valued fellow collector. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting I-Fling-Poo: Quote:
My personal opinion in this specific case? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.... or the one." I agree here. At a min, I feel that the initial post + subjects should be restored on forum posts. I would like to see all of the links restored. Whatever his reason for deleting the links, it was a large blow to the link collection as a whole. If nobody else wants to take ownership of the links, I will. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
For now, I've reinstated the policy of restricting edits based on post age and set it to 30 days. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
I've added the ability to exempt threads from the edit limit and set the limit back to 48 hours. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Actually it is out of respect for the person who did the deleting. If it has to respected that one user deletes all of his posts, it should also be respected that all other users are able to do the same and not by restricting them to only do so for posts within a time limit. So either all of the posts should be restored or all the users should have the privilege to remove everything they have created again. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
This is the first time I have ever seen the site/forum owner decide to actually leave the posts deleted. I moderate 2 forums myself, and use several. I have never even seen a site that wouldnt let a user delete hes/hers posts. We actually do the deleting on one site, if the user asks. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Actually it is out of respect for the person who did the deleting. If Giga asks me to, I'll restore the posts in a minute. Also, if he asks I'll be happy to transfer the deleted links to an admin account/another user account. 10 points from me, best solution in my opinion  Giga used endless amounts of time to help others, make contributions and add the links. If we are so awesome people as some of you seem to automatically think, then i'm sure Giga will ask Ken to do the transfer of links. I think this should serve as a valuable lesson to everyone as what is at stake when you start throwing your insults so lightly to others, and on a constant manner. That person might not be there listening tomorrow. And then you will truly see the weight some users carried. | | | | Last edited: by whispering |
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