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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: Forgot to mention, that movie was made back in 1956, so the problem has been around for a while. And that was released as 1.33:1 on DVD without the expansion to Cinemascope for which Disney offers corrected copies. Some of us have corrected copies and -- as Dan mentioned for BTTF -- some will still have the error copies. Yeah, I got the corrected copies. In my opinion though, for the purposes of profiling, the final (corrected) version is what should be entered. If you bought BTTF six months after the initial release, you would have gotten the corrected version. If you got the original bad ones, they could be replaced at no charge. It's obviously what the studio intended to release. In the particular case of the Disney release, some of the initial versions did in fact include the cinemascope variant. Frankly, that's what tipped folks off to the fact that it was even an option and caused all the uproar. That's just my thoughts on the subject. I'm sure some folks would argue the collectibility of these bad disks, but I've never understood why somebody would purposely want a screwed up release. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: Forgot to mention, that movie was made back in 1956, so the problem has been around for a while. And that was released as 1.33:1 on DVD without the expansion to Cinemascope for which Disney offers corrected copies. Some of us have corrected copies and -- as Dan mentioned for BTTF -- some will still have the error copies. Yeah, I got the corrected copies. In my opinion though, for the purposes of profiling, the final (corrected) version is what should be entered. If you bought BTTF six months after the initial release, you would have gotten the corrected version. If you got the original bad ones, they could be replaced at no charge. It's obviously what the studio intended to release. That's just my thoughts on the subject.
I'm sure some folks would argue the collectibility of these bad disks, but I've never understood why somebody would purposely want a screwed up release. Why?? well apparently thru the poll we currently have here there are more of us who never watch the discs they buy and they just still on the shelve gathering dust , and in most cases are also unopened.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | LOL I've got my share of unwatched as well!
Of course, that doesn't mean that I actually want a screwed up release, just that I'm ignorant of the fact that it exists. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | It becomes a matter of history, James. Especially in view of the fact that there is a BRAND-new release of the BTF Trilogy which is correct. For example, there has been much ado made over the release of some Paramount HE TV releases being released with different Music involved, similar in style and form to the Original showing but DIFFERENT. Today it was revealed that Paramount HE is going to offer consumers of The Fugitive 2.1 discs with the RESTORED Original music cues to replace the ORIGINAL release, the consumer has to send in proofs of purchase but they do NOT have to return the Original discs, these new Discs will of course have new Disc ID's as well, just like the Original vs. the fix on BTTF, and there will be TWO, ultimately, perfectly legitimate setts of Profiles. In fact the ORIGINAL BTTF Profiles are in the database under Disc ID #s, so why should there be any problem with your suggestion midnit, the correction will have a different Disc ID from the Original "screwed" up release. So I am confused by your complaint. Using your argument and James' why would it be relevant to have the informartion available about an upside down airplane on a postage stamp that was released almost a hundred years ago, it was after all a screw-up...and it is only worth several thousands of times the value of the correct stamp. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Using your argument and James' [snip]
Skip I posed no argument. I simply said that some people have discs with errors and some have corrected copies. I didn't state how DVDP currently handles them nor did I state an opinion about whether DVDP should handle them any differently. I just stated that both versions exist. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Sorry james, i got you and midnit tangled up.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm fine with the whole disc ID thing.
Not to get derailed, but the postage stamp example has no bearing on the DVD market. So far, the market doesn't value a screwed up version any more than a corrected version. If anything, it's valued less precisely because it was screwed up. Note, that is not the same thing as a highly limited version that was erroneously released, ala Little Shop of Horrors. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Midnit: I am sure the stamp market way back when didn't either. You don't know what tomorrow brings any more than I do. It is historically relevant data and someday...who knows. And it is really no different from LSOH, the nore that people returned their screwed up versions to be corrected, the more theoretical value the ORIGINAL BTTD would have. If everyone returned their mess ups, except for ONE, then theoretically that last one would become priceless, whether it actually would or not only time will tell. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually, the stamp collectors jumped onto the error immediately.
I get what you're saying, it's just that the market isn't bearing this out, and it's certainly mature enough to have manifested itself by now. I think the difference is that very few people actually collect shiny discs, they collect the movies on the discs. In other words, given the choice of a correct pressing, and an incorrect pressing, everything else being equal they take the correct pressing every time. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: I think the difference is that very few people actually collect shiny discs, they collect the movies on the discs. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: DUH! Why they chose to do that, i don't know and I suspect you don't either, nor do I know how common this might be. I did not go see an Actual IMAX presentation, so how was it presented there, which might simply lead to more confusion. did it also use a mixed format presentation. The Dark knight in fact is the first such instance I am aware of, so how big a deal is this for a single flm, not very.
Skip Just a little FYI, even the standard showing of The Dark Knight included the mixed aspect ratio. The director shot most of the film with a standard camera and the action sequences with an IMAX camera. He did this to give the action sequences more impact. I didn't notice it in the theater, but it is very noticable on the Blu-ray. My understanding is it was less noticable on regular screens vs. IMAX screens. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks, Unicus.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote: While I can't remember any others that were intentionally released in a "mixed Format" than Batman 'Brother Bear' springs to mind (part 1.66:1, part 2.35:1). Other good examples would be 'The Horse Whisperer', or, more recently, 'Enchanted'. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | W0m6at | You're in for it now Tony |
Registered: April 17, 2007 | Posts: 1,091 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Dan W:
Quote: While I can't remember any others that were intentionally released in a "mixed Format" than Batman 'Brother Bear' springs to mind (part 1.66:1, part 2.35:1). Other good examples would be 'The Horse Whisperer', or, more recently, 'Enchanted'. Also Dünyayi kurtaran adam (aka Turkish Star Wars), but that was mostly because it pilfered footage directly from Lucas' movie. | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: I didn't notice it in the theater, but it is very noticable on the Blu-ray. Most theaters showed the 2.35:1 only version (the one which is on the DVD). | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting W0m6at: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Dan W:
Quote: While I can't remember any others that were intentionally released in a "mixed Format" than Batman 'Brother Bear' springs to mind (part 1.66:1, part 2.35:1). Other good examples would be 'The Horse Whisperer', or, more recently, 'Enchanted'. Also Dünyayi kurtaran adam (aka Turkish Star Wars), but that was mostly because it pilfered footage directly from Lucas' movie. Don't forget the 1927 Napoleon which used a triptych of screens during a number of sequences, and there was also Brainstorm in the 80s which used two aspect ratios. And wasn't there a fantasy film which started in academy ratio then opened up to widescreen when a character walked through a door? Similar to the colour trick Wizard of Oz used... |
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