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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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the Studios thread very clearly states to use 20th NOTTwentieth.
Because, as the original poster confirmed earlier in this thread, the field wasn't long enough back then to allow the full, correct name.
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I repeat my previous unanswered question. 20th or Twnetieth. What VALUE is added?
The same value that was added when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. Not from the logo preceding the film, but from the actual credits. The same goes here: we don't use the abbreviated form from the logo, but the fully written out credit from the DVD cover - the place where all of us except Hal get the DVD distributor from. The principle is exactly the same, and the value is the same.
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one of these days your garbage data is goiing to bite us right square in the tookus. then you will have to eat the crow.
I won't bother to address the rest of those wild accusations, but let me just give you a little word of advice: I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. You are using your superior knowledge to ASSUME this is true. That's why the Distributor data was never edited to reflect such a change by the person who created that thread. Stop making assumptions, tim. I realize what you think you know and that you believe you are right, and that despite the FACT that you were NEVER invoilved in any Rules discussions, you still believe you know motre than anyone else. But you are usually WRONG and you are yet again making things up as yu go and paying NO attention to the Rules. You are creating YOUR interpretation and thus it must be correct when in fact you are NOT. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That does NOT give the right to unilaterally interpret the Rules ANY WAY you wish, which you indicate you have been doing. I have indicated what? Where? When? I'd love to hear about it. As always, I'm doing all I can to follow the rules to the letter. Always have, always will - if things here start going downhill instead of uphill I might stop contributing, but as of yet I've only seen things moving in the direction that I like. Things don't always move quick enough, but that's another issue.  Quote:
I repeat. VALUE ADDED...is there any? None that I am aware. The onlyn thing I can see is anal retentiveness. Well, you should know... That was a joke, people! Seriously though, you repeat, so I'll do the same (for the umpteenth time): the value is the same as when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. That's exactly the same thing that's happening here. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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the Studios thread very clearly states to use 20th NOTTwentieth.
Because, as the original poster confirmed earlier in this thread, the field wasn't long enough back then to allow the full, correct name.
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I repeat my previous unanswered question. 20th or Twnetieth. What VALUE is added?
The same value that was added when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. Not from the logo preceding the film, but from the actual credits. The same goes here: we don't use the abbreviated form from the logo, but the fully written out credit from the DVD cover - the place where all of us except Hal get the DVD distributor from. The principle is exactly the same, and the value is the same.
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one of these days your garbage data is goiing to bite us right square in the tookus. then you will have to eat the crow.
I won't bother to address the rest of those wild accusations, but let me just give you a little word of advice: I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
You are using your superior knowledge to ASSUME this is true. That's why the Distributor data was never edited to reflect such a change by the person who created that thread. Stop making assumptions, tim. I realize what you think you know and that you believe you are right, and that despite the FACT that you were NEVER invoilved in any Rules discussions, you still believe you know motre than anyone else. But you are usually WRONG and you are yet again making things up as yu go and paying NO attention to the Rules. You are creating YOUR interpretation and thus it must be correct when in fact you are NOT.
Skip I don't see how your answer addresses the section of my post that you bolded in any way. I don't see anything but yet another bunch of unfounded wild accusations.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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That does NOT give the right to unilaterally interpret the Rules ANY WAY you wish, which you indicate you have been doing.
I have indicated what? Where? When? I'd love to hear about it. As always, I'm doing all I can to follow the rules to the letter. Always have, always will - if things here start going downhill instead of uphill I might stop contributing, but as of yet I've only seen things moving in the direction that I like. Things don't always move quick enough, but that's another issue.
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I repeat. VALUE ADDED...is there any? None that I am aware. The onlyn thing I can see is anal retentiveness.
Well, you should know... That was a joke, people! Seriously though, you repeat, so I'll do the same (for the umpteenth time): the value is the same as when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. That's exactly the same thing that's happening here. Tim: You stated that you have submitted over 100 changes to Twentieth HE. That is YOU making a unilateral change and assuming something which is not factually correct. There is NO VALUE added. So unless you can cite something which this brings to the table other than anal retentivity, then I would have to say leave all of the work that has been done in this regard ALONE. If there is some REAL value added I am only too happy to listen to it. But there isn't ANY. Yse, it was done originally for brevity due to field length, but that does not mean the data was invented, it IS part of the logo. Give me some REA: value added, other changing man-hours of previous work just to support AR. My comments about your other assumptions stand. Don't simply makie any undocumented assumptions about names. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You stated that you have submitted over 100 changes to Twentieth HE. That is YOU making a unilateral change and assuming something which is not factually correct. No! I stated that I have made over 100 updates changing incorrect theatrical entries for "20th Century Fox" to "Twentieth Century Fox" - as credited!! That's what I said. If you want to argue, at least please carefully read what I have said! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
the Studios thread very clearly states to use 20th NOTTwentieth.
Because, as the original poster confirmed earlier in this thread, the field wasn't long enough back then to allow the full, correct name.
Quote:
I repeat my previous unanswered question. 20th or Twnetieth. What VALUE is added?
The same value that was added when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. Not from the logo preceding the film, but from the actual credits. The same goes here: we don't use the abbreviated form from the logo, but the fully written out credit from the DVD cover - the place where all of us except Hal get the DVD distributor from. The principle is exactly the same, and the value is the same.
Quote:
one of these days your garbage data is goiing to bite us right square in the tookus. then you will have to eat the crow.
I won't bother to address the rest of those wild accusations, but let me just give you a little word of advice: I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
You are using your superior knowledge to ASSUME this is true. That's why the Distributor data was never edited to reflect such a change by the person who created that thread. Stop making assumptions, tim. I realize what you think you know and that you believe you are right, and that despite the FACT that you were NEVER invoilved in any Rules discussions, you still believe you know motre than anyone else. But you are usually WRONG and you are yet again making things up as yu go and paying NO attention to the Rules. You are creating YOUR interpretation and thus it must be correct when in fact you are NOT.
Skip
I don't see how your answer addresses the section of my post that you bolded in any way. I don't see anything but yet another bunch of unfounded wild accusations. I am not surprised, Tim because you don't see the flaw in argument. The argument to which you refer was long ago, when the Rules were relatively new to all of us and establishing a baseline for Studio data. You are now talking about something that is ESTABLISHED and thousands of man-hours have been expended following that. No matter how easy or hard the change is to accomplsih is not relevant, its the time that has been spent and you want to change it to no real value added purpose, and you have, in fact, been unilaterally, based on your own comments, changing it on your own authority. I see NO value added to what you want, and you ceratinly have not provided any, and your argument is flawed to begin with. But then i am not surprised by that, since you weren't involved and therefore have limited knowledge on the issue. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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You stated that you have submitted over 100 changes to Twentieth HE. That is YOU making a unilateral change and assuming something which is not factually correct.
No! I stated that I have made over 100 updates changing incorrect theatrical entries for "20th Century Fox" to "Twentieth Century Fox" - as credited!! That's what I said. If you want to argue, at least please carefully read what I have said! Then that is my error, sorry. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Then that is my error, sorry. Thanks for that. For the record: from now on, with v3.5, I will be contributing "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" entries if that's what's shown on the cover - AS CREDITED - and I strongly urge everyone to do the same. With the to-be-expected batch of distributor updates as soon as v3.5 is out, we'll get the correct name propagated in no-time. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem is , every time someone thinks of a "better way" of entering data, it impacts a database of 350,000 plus existing profiles.
Although it is easy to change this locally, with the stroke of a pen, each and every profile will have to be re-contributed to fix the main database.
It will literally take years before they are all done, if ever.
If we keep changing the Rules for our data sources, we are never, ever going to have a consistent database!
That is the crux of my issue with following this path. | | | | Hal |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | And I see that. Which is why I wanted to address this NOW, just before the rush of distributor updates. By fixing this now, it doesn't need any additional work. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Hal,
But because of the new distributor field, all of these profiles are going to have to be changed anyway!
It seems an ideal opportunity to make sure we get the right name in the database.
If these profiles weren't going to have to be changed anyway, I'd have agreed and said leave as is, but we're going to be inundated with changes, so might as well get this changed too. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
And I see that. Which is why I wanted to address this NOW, just before the rush of distributor updates. By fixing this now, it doesn't need any additional work. That is true for this particular instance. But we have a long and tiresome history of people having "a better way" of doing things! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Then that is my error, sorry.
Thanks for that. For the record: from now on, with v3.5, I will be contributing "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" entries if that's what's shown on the cover - AS CREDITED - and I strongly urge everyone to do the same. With the to-be-expected batch of distributor updates as soon as v3.5 is out, we'll get the correct name propagated in no-time. That is not your responsibility and i would hope that Gerri will take note that you are unilaterally taking action not supported by the Rules or your own Poll and that she will DECLINE any such Contribution. I will vote NO on any such Contribution and I hope everyone else will as well. You want to use Twentieth ke3ep it local. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That is not your responsibility and i would hope that Gerri will take note that you are unilaterally taking action not supported by the Rules or your own Poll and that she will DECLINE any such Contribution. I will vote NO on any such Contribution and I hope everyone else will as well. You want to use Twentieth ke3ep it local. Likewise, I'll say that I'll vote against any "20th" update where the cover shows "Twentieth", and I expect the screeners to decline any such contribution. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since we're on this distributor topic, here's a good one.
The Blu-ray version of Halloween shows the Anchor Bay logo on the back of the case. At the bottom of the logo, it says "A Starz Company". Right next to that is the Starz logo with Starz Home Entertainment under it.
When I contributed this I removed the Anchor Bay listing from the production studios and added Starz Home Entertainment to the Distributor field. Which of course generated loud protests for removing Anchor Bay.
Since there is only one Distributor field, and I don't believe Anchor Bay is a production studio, what should have been done? | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | And exactly what rule is being broken here?
Please quote exactly where in the rules this is covered. |
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