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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
But I am done replying to ridiculous statements from people who obviously have no clue what they are talking about.
And I am more than happy if I can get valuable and correct data into the online database and even more happy if those few troublemakers do not like that this is getting into the database.
This is quite funny comment from a man who also wrote in same thread Quote:
Every commentary track that I listened too uses all my speakers of my 5.1 system, and the receiver is set to Pro Logic II.
So in my book that is proof enough that the surround flag is set. In my book it's just a proof that you don't know how Pro Logic II works. | | | | Last edited: by Kulju |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | The nice thing on this forum is that the obvious is never seen.
The obvious which is correct around 98 %, still this forum tries to always go with the exceptions, to prove that it is NOT the 2 %.
Ever thought about all the hundreds of thousands 2-Channel Stereo tracks that are put into this database ?
98 % of them are plain wrong, still no one is bothered.
But the people that mostly never contribute themselves try to ridicously nitpick if a user comes that changes 98 % of the incorrect data into correct data, yes I admit 2 % I would submit and change incorrectly.
But if you want to live with 98 % incorrect data instaed the other way round, fine with me.
Leave all those false 2-Chan Stereo tracks in the database.
Funny thing also is, that all those entered 2-Channel stereo tracks never had any proof that they are stereo, you will find nothing in the documentations, you just find Audio added with Power DVD, or Audio added from disk and so on.
Yet none of you question this, this is so funny.
All those thousands of audio tracks are entered without any proof or valid documentation.
Well, I will submit what I believe is correct, and there is nothing you can do to stop me from doing this.
I always try to follow the rules, but the rules that are written down by Ken and NOT your standards.
The voters and screeners can decide this.
I made nearly 4000 contributions so far and maybe 4 or 5 were rejected.
You won't drag me away like you did with so many others here.
My stubborness is way too strong for this.
cheers
Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
The nice thing on this forum is that the obvious is never seen.
The obvious which is correct around 98 %, still this forum tries to always go with the exceptions, to prove that it is NOT the 2 %. I don't know about anybody else, but I am not trying to prove anything. What I am asking for, and I ask this of anybody that is making a change to a profile, is that you provide proof. Something other than, "it is what I say it is." Quote:
Ever thought about all the hundreds of thousands 2-Channel Stereo tracks that are put into this database ?
98 % of them are plain wrong, still no one is bothered. Actually, I haven't. Quote:
But the people that mostly never contribute themselves try to ridicously nitpick if a user comes that changes 98 % of the incorrect data into correct data, yes I admit 2 % I would submit and change incorrectly. You keep throwing out these numbers, but refuse to provide any kind of proof. Rather than providing some kind of proof, you quote another user and call everybody else names. Quote:
But if you want to live with 98 % incorrect data instaed the other way round, fine with me.
Leave all those false 2-Chan Stereo tracks in the database.
Funny thing also is, that all those entered 2-Channel stereo tracks never had any proof that they are stereo, you will find nothing in the documentations, you just find Audio added with Power DVD, or Audio added from disk and so on.
Yet none of you question this, this is so funny.
All those thousands of audio tracks are entered without any proof or valid documentation. Let me see if I understand you correctly, you don't have to provide any documentation because other people didn't? All I can say is, wow. Quote:
Well, I will submit what I believe is correct, and there is nothing you can do to stop me from doing this.
I always try to follow the rules, but the rules that are written down by Ken and NOT your standards.
The voters and screeners can decide this. Ken's standard is, and I quote from the rules, "Use the Audio specified on the DVD Cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Audio included on the disc. When contributing accurate, DVD based Audio, include your verification method in your Contribution Notes." I could be wrong, but I don't think that 'because I believe it is correct' is a verification method. Quote:
I made nearly 4000 contributions so far and maybe 4 or 5 were rejected.
You won't drag me away like you did with so many others here.
My stubborness is way too strong for this. Nobody is trying to drag you away, we are simply asking for your verification method as required by the rules. You did say that you were going to follow the rules, didn't you? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just read his updated notes for Blade Runner where he insulted me personally and once again repeated his lie about me adding titles simply to vote no to his contributions. Where does Darkly get off with this sort of behaviour? |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian,
if you really believe that I am wrong with saying that 2-Chan stereo is nearly non existing, I cannot help you.
If I say that Blu-ray has in general a much better picture quality than DVD, you probably would also ask me for proof, tho everyone knows that it is a correct statement.
The argumenting in this forum by those old time users was always very strangely.
Anyways to end this discussion here, at least from my side. I will not bother to try to participate in all those twisted argumentations.
And I will continue to contribute as much as always.
Do you honestly think if I would not provide documentation for my contributions I would be close to 4000 accepted ones ?
I will stay in the threads in the General Forum , where it is appreciated what users do and not everything is questioned to the core.
cheers
Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Martian,
if you really believe that I am wrong with saying that 2-Chan stereo is nearly non existing, I cannot help you.
If I say that Blu-ray has in general a much better picture quality than DVD, you probably would also ask me for proof, tho everyone knows that it is a correct statement. I am not asking for your help, I am asking you to document your changes as required by the rules. If you can't, or won't, then just say that and quit acting like you are the victim of some conspiracy. Quote:
The argumenting in this forum by those old time users was always very strangely.
Anyways to end this discussion here, at least from my side. I will not bother to try to participate in all those twisted argumentations. Please be so kind as to get off your high horse. After what you have written in this thread, and in your notes and PM to Bob, you certainly have not earned the moral high ground.  Quote:
And I will continue to contribute as much as always.
Do you honestly think if I would not provide documentation for my contributions I would be close to 4000 accepted ones ? How does that change the fact that you are refusing to provide any documentation in this case?  Quote:
I will stay in the threads in the General Forum , where it is appreciated what users do and not everything is questioned to the core. Once again, I feel like I am at work...actually, this is worse than work.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Martian,
if you really believe that I am wrong with saying that 2-Chan stereo is nearly non existing, I cannot help you. It seems that no one can help you to understand that this isn't true when it comes to commentary tracks. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 6 |
| | Posted: | | | | DarklyNoon, I have checked all of your stereo to surround contributions that I own and some of them are right and some of them are wrong. The next time you change something like that please check by yourself with adequate equipment set to auto detect or do not submit such changes. It's not our job to do your homework.
btw, your PLII-post almost made me an auto non voter on your submissions. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kulju,
this argument here is only about 5 % about commentary tracks.
I am talking mostly about normal audio tracks.
Normal DVD or Blu-ray audio that is entered wrongly as 2-channel stereo.
Some guys here picked out the commentary changes and refuse to react or answer to the normal audio changes that I am doing.
anyways,
cheers
Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Seghal: Quote:
DarklyNoon, I have checked all of your stereo to surround contributions that I own and some of them are right and some of them are wrong. The next time you change something like that please check by yourself with adequate equipment set to auto detect or do not submit such changes. It's not our job to do your homework.
btw, your PLII-post almost made me an auto non voter on your submissions. Ok, fair deal, but isn't is strange that no one ever questions all the wrong entries that are in ? It seems it is just accepted that people enter wrong information all the time. And if lets say 50 % of those are wrong that you are tested, how come no one is bothered about them and about the proper documentation in the first place ? anways, cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 6 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
but isn't is strange that no one ever questions all the wrong entries that are in ?
It seems it is just accepted that people enter wrong information all the time. That's what me made not contributing for some years. I was sick of people overwriting verified data and of people not checking before voting. |
| | Registered: November 16, 2007 | | Posts: 80 |
| | Posted: | | | | On the new Toy Story 2 dvd in the audio menu there is an option called "why 2.0" to explain the English DD 2.0 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Some guys here picked out the commentary changes and refuse to react or answer to the normal audio changes that I am doing. You are also contributing commentary track changes based on "because I just say so" verification. You cannot deny this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting DarklyNoon:
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Some guys here picked out the commentary changes and refuse to react or answer to the normal audio changes that I am doing.
You are also contributing commentary track changes based on "because I just say so" verification. You cannot deny this. You're right. You change data...document the changes. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well,
I must agree that I got a bit furious on all this so MY APOLOGIES, but here is another exapmple that seemd to show there is no proof if it is stereo or surround:
Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series
Changed from 2-chan stereo to surround.
Here are two comments by two different users:
NO Vote: verified with Onkyo TX-SR607, no surround flag set on the commentary track.
YES vote: While I agree in principle with the "No" voters, I have checked & confirmed this has a surround flag.
We have two users here that both checked on my contribution.
One verifies it as correct the other verifies it as not correct.
This happens in several contributions that deal with changing Stereo to Surround.
My question is: Where do we go from here ?
If it is impossible to tell if it is stereo or surround, what do we enter ?
cheers
Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
If it is impossible to tell if it is stereo or surround, what do we enter ?
cheers
Donnie If in doubt stick to the rules is not a bad idea: " Use the Audio specified on the DVD Cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Audio included on the disc. When contributing accurate, DVD based Audio, include your verification method in your Contribution Notes." So if you can show that it isn't stereo please do so and include your verification method, otherwise leave it as it is on the box or the audio menu. |
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