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That Wikipedia article does not apply globally. At least here in Finland we do have a registered company named "Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment AB, filial i Finland" (subsidiary in Finland). Interestingly the previous name of that company was "Buena Vista Home Entertainment AB, filial i Finland". It's not a label, it's a company.

Therefore WDSHE is a media company as it is clearly stated eg. in covers of newer releases of Walt Disney Classics.

I already covered this earlier in the thread.  Bottom line, BVSHE is just doing business as WDSHE outside of the US.

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As it sits now, we will have to take more of Ken's time to resolve yet another issue that should have been settled from the get go.

How about changing the rule from
"Enter the DVD publishing company..."
to
"Enter the DVD publishing company name or label..."
?

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Now people who were NOT involved in that discussion have decided to chime in and have decided, sans rules, what data is and isn't allowed based on the field name...

Not everyone was around from The Beginning.

It hasn't been that long ago that the Beta testing was in process, so don't give me that argument.

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However, wouldn't it be wiser, in the absence of a Rule, to be conservative with the data rather than just assume that anything goes?

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No, because as Unicus pointed out there was already considerable discussion about this matter leading up to the current situation.  Many of us felt (and still feel) that the issue was resolved before the program left the Beta stage.

I'm not arguing that anything goes.  But the "label" or whatever you want to call it (e.g., "Disney DVD" or "CBS DVD") was part of the discussion that led up to the expansion of the media field to three slots.  If Ken didn't want us to include these data, I feel he would have said something during the Beta process.

Frankly, I resent having to go over it all again just to suit some vocal users (including many Johnny-Come-Latelies) who aren't interested in this information and seem to think they have some God-given a right to deny people the right to including it.

I am not going to stop using the field as it was intended -- for my local data -- I just won't contribute it.

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Quoting Unicus69:

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Now people who were NOT involved in that discussion have decided to chime in and have decided, sans rules, what data is and isn't allowed based on the field name...

Not everyone was around from The Beginning.

What beginning?  This all happened in November of 2008. 

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However, wouldn't it be wiser, in the absence of a Rule, to be conservative with the data rather than just assume that anything goes?

Who is assuming that anything goes?  I was involved in all of the discussions concerning this field.  I think I have a pretty good idea as to what everyone involved wanted.  I am sorry that you weren't involved in those discussions but to come in, after the decisions have been made, and decide that they were wrong is just...well...bad form.

Quoting Unicus69:

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I think I have a pretty good idea as to what everyone involved wanted.

No doubt...

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Just to update, my profile was declined (Yes: 29  No: 14).  I am not sure whether or not this is a statement by the screeners...

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Quoting EnryWiki:

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How about changing the rule from
"Enter the DVD publishing company..."
to
"Enter the DVD publishing company name or label..."
?

If that were the change in the rule I would fully support entering Disney DVD in that field.  As it stands right now, I feel that the name of the field makes entering something like Disney DVD or Eclipse (a brand from Criterion) in that field wrong.  But I equally feel it wrong to vote against a contribution with that data in that field. 

It really is the name of the field that makes me feel that way.  Perhaps we could change the name of the field - something like "Media Company or Label" or something more inclusive than simply 'Company.'

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Quoting Rifter:

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"Disney DVD" is just a bit of PR telling you that you are playing....  a Disney DVD.  It is NOT a media company.  Buena Vista Home Entertainment is the distributor for Disney.

If you had read the entire thread, you would know that we already acknowledged this point.  The problem is, when this field was discussed in the Beta Forum, this is the information that people wanted to track.  Now people who were NOT involved in that discussion have decided to chime in and have decided, sans rules, what data is and isn't allowed based on the field name...the rest of us be dambed.  Had they raised these issues back then, when we went through several name changes, we might have been able to settle on a name that would have prevented this.

As it sits now, we will have to take more of Ken's time to resolve yet another issue that should have been settled from the get go.

You know, when I used to design a database for a client, I always provided a document that listed each and every field that could have user entries made, and defined what it was and what data could or could not be entered.  I don't know why something like that couldn't be included in the installation package for Profiler.  It sure as hell would save everybody a lot of time and energy.

I absolutely agree, John.

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