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20th Century Fox Home Entertainment vs. Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: How are they presented on-screen? That is what matters. That's what matters for the theatrical branch, but decidedly NOT for the distributing branch. See my post above. We've always taken the DVD distributor from the cover, and (again: see the example) for good reason. For the umpteenth time: in either case, it's the choice between a "20th" logo and a fully written out credit that says "Twentieth". For the theatrical branch, that fully written out credit is in the film credits; and for the distributor, it's on the back cover. Just as it should be. The choice remains the same: do you go with the logo, or with the fully written out credit? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Therefore, the DVD distributor should come form the DVD credits if it appears there. I'll repeat my example in case you missed it: my Dutch copy of 'Die Another Day' springs to mind - is that good enough for you? The disc starts with the animated "MGM Home Entertainment" logo (nothing Fox-related to be seen anywhere), yet the DVD cover clearly states that it's distributed by "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment". And I got lots of those. So, does the on-screen logo prevail? I don't think so. It's actually an interesting problem. Apparently when the DVD was manufactured, MGM Home Entertainment was the distributor. 20th Century bought them and now they're putting their name on the box as the distributor. I think I've seen this with Sony Home Entertainment as well. Hey, Ken, it looks like we need two distributor fields! | | | Hal |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Well, I have no way of checking that. It would be helpful if it was an example that I actually own. I think these switching rights are more of a problem in smaller R2 localities than they are in the U.S. I took MGM vs. Fox as an example because at one point, MGM did NOT have a distributing branch in The Netherlands, and ALL their DVD's were distributed by Fox. Huge amounts of those discs show you "MGM Home Entertainment" animated logos at the start-up of the disc, but they're actually distributed by "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" as shown on the cover. And these are major studios - you don't even want to think about what goes on among the little independent distributors over here. Bottom line: we take the distributor from the cover, and from nowhere is. That's how it's always been, and it's how it should be. Any other way would result in an absolute mess. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: How are they presented on-screen? That is what matters. That's what matters for the theatrical branch, but decidedly NOT for the distributing branch. See my post above. We've always taken the DVD distributor from the cover, and (again: see the example) for good reason. For the umpteenth time: in either case, it's the choice between a "20th" logo and a fully written out credit that says "Twentieth". For the theatrical branch, that fully written out credit is in the film credits; and for the distributor, it's on the back cover. Just as it should be. The choice remains the same: do you go with the logo, or with the fully written out credit? I'd say if the case has a different distributor than what's in the DVD credits, then use the case. Otherwise use the on-screen credit. | | | Hal |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: It's actually an interesting problem. Apparently when the DVD was manufactured, MGM Home Entertainment was the distributor. 20th Century bought them and now they're putting their name on the box as the distributor. I think I've seen this with Sony Home Entertainment as well. That's exactly it, indeed. The point is that for DVD Profiler purposes, the one on the box is our distributor. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: The rating should come from the DVD itself if it is different than the DVD box. While off topic in this thread, I have to disagree. At least in countries where the rating on the cover is legally binding (e.g. UK, Germany), the rating on the cover should be used even when there is a different rating on screen or printed on the disc. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I'd say if the case has a different distributor than what's in the DVD credits, then use the case. Otherwise use the on-screen credit. I'll stick with the fully written out credit from the box - just as I enter the fully written out credit from the film credits for the theatrical branch. I'll repeat that I don't understand why you would treat these differently: in both cases you're shown both a "20th" logo and a fully written out credit, yet in one case you prefer the abbreviated version from the logo while you use the fully written out credit for the other one. I truly don't get it. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: I'd say if the case has a different distributor than what's in the DVD credits, then use the case. Otherwise use the on-screen credit. I'll stick with the fully written out credit from the box - just as I enter the fully written out credit from the film credits for the theatrical branch. I'll repeat that I don't understand why you would treat these differently: in both cases you're shown both a "20th" logo and a fully written out credit, yet in one case you prefer the abbreviated version from the logo while you use the fully written out credit for the other one. I truly don't get it. Well, I cannot state any clearer than what I've said. I prefer what appears on-screen over anything on the DVD case. The DVD is the "real thing". The DVD case shows whatever the distributor decided to put there; right wrong or indifferent. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | Distributors: on the box is the local distributor? logo before the dvd menu: dvd distributor? on the movie credits is theatrical distributor? or something simular to this? | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Well, I cannot state any clearer than what I've said. I prefer what appears on-screen over anything on the DVD case. I'm afraid you're just being a little short-sighted. What about when the DVD only shows me a "Universal Pictures" animated logo, while the DVD tells me that the distributor is called "Universal Home Entertainment"? Do you still prefer what appears on-screen?! It may happen to support your preference in this particular case, but trust me: there are soooo many examples in which your theory doesn't fly... If you'd check a random hundred discs from both major and independent DVD distributors from accross various regions and localities, you'd soon find that you're going to HAVE to take the distributor from the box. It really is the only way. Of course you're entitled to prefer the logo, but extrapolating that preference into claiming the DVD distributor should primarily be taken from the animated label credits shown on-screen when you put in the disc really is a bridge too far, IMHO. |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: Distributors: on the box is the local distributor? logo before the dvd menu: dvd distributor? on the movie credits is theatrical distributor? or something simular to this? I personally would go with the box as shown above, the distributor can and does change from time to time but they don't always update the info on the disc, only the cover. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Here's the scoop on Fox as it pertains to MGM. When Time Warner divested itself of MOST of MGM, MGM went solo for a very brief period, then they sold the Distribution rights to the majority of their remaining catalog to Fox. So, at present an MGM title COULD be distributed by Time-Warner, MGM or Fox depending on the title. Even so with Fox Distribution, while the Copyright notice says Twnentieth, the logo is present for 20th. Furthermore there is nothing in the Rules which enables Tim to to use the Copyright notice, save for his superior knowledge of the intent and the Rules themselves, But the Studios thread very clearly states to use 20th NOTTwentieth.
I repeat my previous unanswered question. 20th or Twnetieth. What VALUE is added? And stop creating your OWN Rules Tim.
This reminds me of your ASSUMING that two names are the same person despite the FACT that you cannot provide ANY supporting documentatioin for it, Tim. I don't care how defensive you get, one of these days your garbage data is goiing to bite us right square in the tookus. then you will have to eat the crow. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: the Studios thread very clearly states to use 20th NOTTwentieth. Because, as the original poster confirmed earlier in this thread, the field wasn't long enough back then to allow the full, correct name. Quote: I repeat my previous unanswered question. 20th or Twnetieth. What VALUE is added? The same value that was added when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. Not from the logo preceding the film, but from the actual credits. The same goes here: we don't use the abbreviated form from the logo, but the fully written out credit from the DVD cover - the place where all of us except Hal get the DVD distributor from. The principle is exactly the same, and the value is the same. Quote: one of these days your garbage data is goiing to bite us right square in the tookus. then you will have to eat the crow. I won't bother to address the rest of those wild accusations, but let me just give you a little word of advice: I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote: I personally would go with the box as shown above, the distributor can and does change from time to time but they don't always update the info on the disc, only the cover. Exactly! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: the Studios thread very clearly states to use 20th NOTTwentieth. Because, as the OP confirmed earlier in this thread, the field wasn't long enough back then to allow the full, correct name.
Quote: I repeat my previous unanswered question. 20th or Twnetieth. What VALUE is added? The same value that was added when we corrected theatrical "20th" credits to "Twentieth": to match the actual, fully written out credit. Not from the logo preceding the film, but from the actual credits. The same goes here: we don't use the abbreviated form from the logo, but the fully written out credit from the DVD cover - the place where all of us except Hal get the DVD distributor from. The principle is exactly the same, and the value is the same.
Quote: one of these days your garbage data is goiing to bite us right square in the tookus. then you will have to eat the crow. I won't bother to address the rest of those wild accusations, but let me just give you a little word of well-meant advice: I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. So what, Tim. That does NOT give the right to unilaterally interpret the Rules ANY WAY you wish, which you indicate you have been doing. I repeat. VALUE ADDED...is there any? None that I am aware. The onlyn thing I can see is anal retentiveness. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | We have two sides here; 20th and Twentieth, so the value added in reaching a concensus, is consistency (and eliminating the risk of ping-ponging). IMHO.. And for the record - I am with T!M 100% on this one... | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! | | | Last edited: by Berak |
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