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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Anyway: I'm still fairly baffled at the current 47 vs. 13 poll results. Remember: this poll wasn't asking for what we'd like, or what we'd use locally, but simply for what the title is under the current rules.
That means that at least 13 users think that you interpret the rule incorectly to justify a personal agenda. Unless you consider that 22% of the voters are idiot and, frankly, this is quite insulting. Your interpretation is a personnal preference also (BTW it's weird that only 2 profiles in the database use his name before the real title, unless you plan to add the others to your collection to change them also).
I've a biggest problem with the fact that an user can contribute important modifications to a title that he obviously doesn't own. This is certainly an important problem with DVDP that make the database less reliable... I am sorry that you find it insulting but, T!M is justified in his confusion. The rule is crystal clear and leaves no room for interpretation. If the possessive is on the front cover AND it is included with the rest of the title, in quotes, in the credit block, on the back of the case, it is part of the title. I am sorry, but I don't see any other way to interpret the rule.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Would I like the Online to adhere to my standards, sure, but why would I want to force that on everybody. I would not necessarily like somebody elses standards thrown on me. I accept the rules, play by the rules, And get what I need.  Exactly, I never quite understood why some members get so bent out of shape about the online database being different than how they want to keep data locally. Well if we were still using IMDB like some members want according to IMDB the official US title is "John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars". Now they do have it listed as Ghosts of Mars on the main page. I know some members want possessives and some don't, that is why the rules were for possessives were written the way they are currently. I don't think everyone is ever going to agree on every rule in some cases we probably have members that want to do away with all the rules. If I remember back before the rule changes on how to contribute a possive there was post asking Ken if he could add a possessive filter or field but, both of those would require program changes. Personally possessives don't really bother me that much and if they do I can easily edit the title to anything I want. If I were to complain about titles the ones that I have a harder time are ones that use special fonts or characters like Layer Cake, Aeon Flux and Deja Vu. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
I told myself I'm staying out of this but I have to say I find it a bit disturbing how much people seem to be against this change. It is 100% according to the rules. It is not being "forced" down anyone's throat. This is one rule that really is clear. Those who don't like it don't have to grab the update but T!m should be thanked for submitting it, as should anyone who submits anything according to the rules.
Thanks T!M  You're very welcome! |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Yes, the title of the thread does simply say: "What is the title?" If, however, you read the actual post T!M does say... The post is not the poll question. The thread title is. At least, that's how I've always interpreted it. I didn't even read the post before voting, since I thought the question was pretty clear. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Me personally, I agree with those who don't like them. The rule doesn't bother me one way or the other. I do what a few others have done...remove the possessive and lock my local title, so I can just start typing and find this title without including substring. If the rule is to include it then it should be included on the server.
For the record, the rule reads:
Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title.
Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Yes, the title of the thread does simply say: "What is the title?" If, however, you read the actual post T!M does say...
The post is not the poll question. The thread title is. At least, that's how I've always interpreted it. I didn't even read the post before voting, since I thought the question was pretty clear. This is, again, something that never occurred to me. Instead, I made a conscious effort to keep the topic title short and simple, but to detail the full question in the post itself - you'll note that I even underlined the key words. Again: it never ever occurred to me to do otherwise, especially since the thread title obviously never offers enough space to give all the necessary details to make a proper assessment. Oh well, live and learn... Maybe I'll have to start adding disclaimers to future questions: "*** Don't vote until you've read the entire post! ***"...  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
another point we ran with months and months ago,, that was overruled was the titles that are possessives such as "East Of Eden" (Warner Bros 1954)., This and other titles such as Mister Roberts/Rebel Without a Cause and other i.e. WB titles all have quotes around the Title on coverart as well as the Creditblock on Rear cover.. they have credit quotes as well.. trouble is it makes it very difficult to find the title as Invelos will not find part of a title but only first part of title . as well. , it also destroys your alphabetical list of Titles as the " will get first billing' .
I agree with Surfeur, this is dvd profiler not Movie profiler... . Is this a possessive or just Quotes around the title, if it is just quotes then this rule seems to solve that problem. Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Actually i think all of John Carpenters's films (and there are a lot of them) all have the "possessive" quotes around his name and the Title.. I believe Alfred Hitchcock is another of the same..
Personally it may be a vain issue but I'm voting No name in credit. Actually I don't think all of them do just some of them but, I don't own all his movies on DVD. Currently I don't have any of his movies with his name included in the title same with Alfred Hitchcock but, I haven't bothered to check them against the covers either. But, do have some titles with possessives for Tim Burton and George A. Romero. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Maybe I'll have to start adding disclaimers to future questions: "*** Don't vote until you've read the entire post! ***"... Maybe just add *** According to the rules *** however, I thought this was the contribution forum and dicussions would be centered around the rules and how contributions should be made according to the rules.  | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Maybe just add *** According to the rules *** Yeah, I can see how my underlined " under the current rules" in the post itself wasn't entirely clear - what was I thinking?  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
So I can't help but wondering what those eight people see in the rules that I'm not seeing They see that the rule makers regularly do not follow their very own rules. Quote:
The problem is that this seems to be happening in the voting process more and more: a growing number of users seems to be consistently voting the way they'd LIKE things to be, instead of actually taking the contribution rules' perspective. The voters are just following the screeners. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Actually i think all of John Carpenters's films (and there are a lot of them) all have the "possessive" quotes around his name and the Title.. No. Actually none of the twelve John Carpenter titles I own has possessive quotes. And: "Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title." | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Welcome to DVD Profiler
Coming soon great features such as rules. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly, even if it was half the size it would be ok with me... but in this case the name John Carpenter is one hundred times smaller than the real title, so not a part of the title. But trying to explain that is a waste of time since the rules supposedly tell that it's a part of the dvd title... Of course it's wrong and false data, but since the database is already full of these kind of error entered by user who had no bussiness to update them since they don't own the disc it's perfectly normal... Some people like to see their name in the contribution history I supposed  |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why can't there be a way just to assign editors as adjudicators rather than having these brain fart sessions every time there's an issue where every tom dick and skip gives there interpretation of the rules.
Unless there is some form of adjudication to assigned certain members here i relay see no recourse from this mess people call a contribution system here. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Why can't there be a way just to assign editors as adjudicators rather than having these brain fart sessions every time there's an issue where every tom dick and skip gives there interpretation of the rules. It was suggested in the past, Ken decided not to do that. In this case though there really isn't anything to interpret, the rule is very clear (agree with it or not). @ Jimmy - perhaps it's your love for some of the more.... risqué titles but when it comes to possessives size doesn't matter | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Yes, the title of the thread does simply say: "What is the title?" If, however, you read the actual post T!M does say...
The post is not the poll question. The thread title is. At least, that's how I've always interpreted it. I didn't even read the post before voting, since I thought the question was pretty clear.
This is, again, something that never occurred to me. Instead, I made a conscious effort to keep the topic title short and simple, but to detail the full question in the post itself - you'll note that I even underlined the key words. Again: it never ever occurred to me to do otherwise, especially since the thread title obviously never offers enough space to give all the necessary details to make a proper assessment. Oh well, live and learn...
Maybe I'll have to start adding disclaimers to future questions: "*** Don't vote until you've read the entire post! ***"... For the record, it never occured to me either. I always place the details of my poll question in the body of the post for the reasons you mention...lack of space in the title field. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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