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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | At any rate, the consensus on this is clear...one against everyone else.
To the OP, please be sure to include that paragraph in the Overview. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Be sure to include the data from the credit block and the fine print as well. That still goes unanswered. It is not disallowed by the Rules and it is "relevant to the film".
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Wrong on all counts, Ken. FACT the paragraph is physically separated from the remainder of the cover, that is not an opinion. FACT the paragraph is written in a totally different typeface and size from the Actual summary, that also is NOT an opinion. Fact based upon your logic then there is a lot of data that we need to start including in the overview.
So what? I agree that the paragraph is separated from the rest of the cover and that it's in a different typeface and size from the rest of the text. What is you OPINION, though, is that this disqualifies the paragraph from inclusion in the overview. THAT IS NOT FACT!!! When you claim that it does not belong in the overview you are merely stating your OPINION. If you think that these two facts support your contention, you are sadly mistaken. That may have been what you wanted the rules to say, it is not what the rules actually say. Fact or not, that paragraph does not contain a single tagline, review, extra feature, hyperlink or HTML or line break -- which is what the rules say to include. And that's why I say you are merely expanding your original opinion -- instead of providing any evidence in support of that opinion. What I'm fed up with is having my opinions dismissed because I wasn't a party to the original development and writing of the rules. I may not know what you and Ken and anyone else involved with writing the rules intended, I do know what the rules actually say now. I'm not going to roll over and accept your interpretaion of any rule based solely on your sayso when it is clear that the rules say otherwise. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ken:
It is certainly far superior to anything i have seen thus far. My opinion is actually based on something. I don't want to dismiss your opinion or anyone else's for any reason, ken But what i have seen so far is simply I think it is so because i think it is so and some vague refernces to the rules, which has now opened a can of worms which instead of addressing they choose to ignore. I didn't open the can, i tried to keep it closed, but its open now.
Somebody a week or so back made refernce to people not giving adequate thought to the ramification of what they say and this is a perfect example of that. The only semi-rational thought i have seen is its "relevant to the film", there is other data that is also relevant to the film and likewise is not prohibited by the Rules so.....where's the damn line. And if there is a line for Credit Blocks and fine print then why not Font style, size and physical separation from the actual synopsis.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Ken:
It is certainly far superior to anything i have seen thus far. My opinion is actually based on something. I don't want to dismiss your opinion or anyone else's for any reason, ken But what i have seen so far is simply I think it is so because i think it is so and some vague refernces to the rules, which has now opened a can of worms which instead of addressing they choose to ignore. I didn't open the can, i tried to keep it closed, but its open now.
Somebody a week or so back made refernce to people not giving adequate thought to the ramification of what they say and this is a perfect example of that. The only semi-rational thought i have seen is its "relevant to the film", there is other data that is also relevant to the film and likewise is not prohibited by the Rules so.....where's the damn line. And if there is a line for Credit Blocks and fine print then why not Font style, size and physical separation from the actual synopsis.
Skip Although you chose to ignore it, I said earlier that it pertains to the film and is written in prose. Unfortunately, that last (bolded bit) is also not in the Rules, so it cannot be enforced, but it is the criteria that we already use, whether we realize it or not. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: It is certainly far superior to anything i have seen thus far. My opinion is actually based on something. I don't want to dismiss your opinion or anyone else's for any reason, ken But what i have seen so far is simply I think it is so because i think it is so and some vague refernces to the rules, which has now opened a can of worms which instead of addressing they choose to ignore. I didn't open the can, i tried to keep it closed, but its open now.
Somebody a week or so back made refernce to people not giving adequate thought to the ramification of what they say and this is a perfect example of that. The only semi-rational thought i have seen is its "relevant to the film", there is other data that is also relevant to the film and likewise is not prohibited by the Rules so.....where's the damn line. And if there is a line for Credit Blocks and fine print then why not Font style, size and physical separation from the actual synopsis.
Skip Some vague references to the rules? Some vague references to the rules? I have stated that there is NOTHING in the rules telling us we should exclude the paragraph in question. What is vague about that? I know you think your opinion is superior to anyone elses. That's clear from the way you express yourself. But that in itself is only an opinion, not fact. As far as your "Credit Block" reference, that is clearly a red herring. There's not much difference between the first and other paragraphs of the cover even though the typesize and face are different. They both contain information a casual user would be interested in about the film. The Credit Block is a totally different matter. It's in small print, much like a legal document where attorneys try to hide information from the casual user. And while it does contain information relevant to the movie, it's not the sort of information most people are the least bit interested in. People look at an overview as an aide to deciding whether or not to watch the program. Who is in the film and who won or was nominated for awards is information that will help someone make that decision. I don't agree that the information in the Credit block is relevant in that same way. As a thought, if the Overview is supposed to contain only a synopsis of the film, the field should have been titled "Synopsis" instead of "Overview." Overview implies more than just a synopsis of the film. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ken:
There is also nothing in the Rules that says we should not include the fine print or the credit block. the fine print is also written in "prose". So, i guess we have to start including since it is relevant to the film. If you are going to follow the Rules to extreme irrationality, then follow them all the way.
I would not have called this particular issue part of the Overview, 5 years ago, 3 and a half years ago, yesterday or today, but since everyone believes it is then so is the credit block and the fine print. You can't have it both ways. this also embodies you description of OVERVIEW.
Ding!!!!!!
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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Registered: April 17, 2007 | Posts: 1,091 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: the fine print is also written in "prose". It isn't, and your claim isn't going to change that. Now quit trolling. | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Your remark was fine until you had to throw in an insult. Even IF i accept your assessment. They are not disallowed by the Rules, Wom. Like i said you cna;t have it both ways. Now can you say something without being insulting about it?
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Ding!!!!!! What is this, kindergarten? I'm not aware of anyone over the age of six who speaks like that. If you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Is this ridiculous discussion still going on?
It's amazing how we allow ourselves to get sucked into Skip's little game over and over. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: Ding!!!!!! What is this, kindergarten? I'm not aware of anyone over the age of six who speaks like that.
If you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. Then stop acting like a lab rat. North, you are the one that needs to learn how to act like an adult and a few others, I am not the one starts salivating , foaming at the mouth and lose all sense of civility at the very sight of a post from myself. You should step bnack and look at juast how chil;dish uour own behavior really is. Yes hal. that includes you as well, sorry pal but...ther absolutely no excuse for half of your posts to this thread, other than being nasty. Ding!!!! Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, well, well, please let us stop the flaming here. Let's agree to disagree. If I look thru the thread, everyone but Skip says it should be included (if I am wrong here, please correct me) That brings Skip into a position ONE against ALL, which is not that easy to handle for the person who is on its own. But insulting each other brings us not a single step further, would be nice to let us all calm down here To Skip: I think I have several discs where a part of the overview is either in bold or in a different font style, so I think this should not be the reason , to not include it, but that is my opinion. And I also checked the rules and found nothing that speaks against adding that paragraph Again, please be nice to each other greetings Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually Steve on page 1 also said to start the overview from below the images, but he never returned (wonder why!) to either support his decision or change his mind. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Firstly apologies to Donnie for this post, but this will be my last response to Skip in this thread. Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Then stop acting like a lab rat.
North, you are the one that needs to learn how to act like an adult and a few others, I am not the one starts salivating , foaming at the mouth and lose all sense of civility at the very sight of a post from myself. So your idea of an experiment is for Dr Pavlov to repeatedly kick a dog until the dog bites him. Leave the room, change, put on a disguise, then return to the room and continue kicking the dog? Then think he's learnt something when the dog bites him again??? Quote: Ding!!!! Child. |
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