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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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... Most DVDP users just read the credits on screen and write them down.  That's our weakness, but also our strength.


I see the weakness, but don't see any strength. Everyone has to modify his local if he wants a correct linking, since the value of the online for linking actors is near of zero (and I don't speak of parsing or asian names...).
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first of all, you just contribute the "credited as". in your case "Johnny Smith". If you also know/idintify the person say in addition: this entry belongs to a person in the database (e.g. linked to [ID:John Smith]. That's all.
The users now can check your contribution and vote. If the "majority" agree the link will be set to the online-profile.


Let's say user Mary Doe likes a movie very much and she wants to contribute the credits to the main database of DVD Profiler.
Now she can, can't he? She writes down the names she sees on screen and that's it. Maybe it's not 100% Rules-complaint (because she didn't check all common names) but I bet her contribution gets approved most times.
With your IMDb-like system, she should have to find out if that "Johnny Smith" credit on screen is actually for actor 1, 2 or 3, and document each choice of hers. Maybe she will, or maybe she won't and make random choices, or maybe she will just stop contributing.
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If I understand correctly what you explained, that means that we couldn't just contribute credits any more without determining the person (unique identifier) they actually  belong to. That's what IMDb does.....
at the moment the DVDP does exactly that (but with mor or less unique iditifier). So is works similar as imdb, but less distinct (and thats why we're argue so often )
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... Most DVDP users just read the credits on screen and write them down.  That's our weakness, but also our strength.


I see the weakness, but don't see any strength. Everyone has to modify his local if he wants a correct linking, since the value of the online for linking actors is near of zero (and I don't speak of parsing or asian names...).


The "strength" of our system, in my view, is that it's actually very straightforward: most users just contribute credits from screen, without finding out the "unique" person they belong to. That's the weakness as well. 
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first of all, you just contribute the "credited as". in your case "Johnny Smith". If you also know/idintify the person say in addition: this entry belongs to a person in the database (e.g. linked to [ID:John Smith]. That's all.
The users now can check your contribution and vote. If the "majority" agree the link will be set to the online-profile.


Let's say user Mary Doe likes a movie very much and she wants to contribute the credits to the main database of DVD Profiler.
Now she can, can't he? She writes down the names she sees on screen and that's it. Maybe it's not 100% Rules-complaint (because she didn't check all common names) but I bet her contribution gets approved most times.
With your IMDb-like system, she should have to find out if that "Johnny Smith" credit on screen is actually for actor 1, 2 or 3, and document each choice of hers. Maybe she will, or maybe she won't and make random choices, or maybe she will just stop contributing.

preventing wrong data to come into the database will work the same way as it works currently --> Users vote for the contribution Mary Doe made
regards, Mad  - 


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... Most DVDP users just read the credits on screen and write them down.  That's our weakness, but also our strength.


I see the weakness, but don't see any strength. Everyone has to modify his local if he wants a correct linking, since the value of the online for linking actors is near of zero (and I don't speak of parsing or asian names...).


The "strength" of our system, in my view, is that it's actually very straightforward: most users just contribute credits from screen, without finding out the "unique" person they belong to. That's the weakness as well. 

if we would have the ability just contribution "as credited" data, this would make you argument to a strength. but this isn't so, so it's just a weakness
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if we would have the ability just contribution "as credited" data, this would make you argument to a strength. but this isn't so, so it's just a weakness


As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), the system was just "as credited", originally. Then the Common Name came, and eventually the CLT, but it seems to me that most contributed names are still just "as credited" data.
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originally maybe. Currently "common name" is our PersonID.. with all it's useless behaviour
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Meh, it doesn't matter anyway.  Everyone will acknowledge that the cast/crew implementation could stand some improvement.  As with any problem in the world, there are two different types of people.  Those who will take a risk to try something different, and those who would rather live with something broken rather than risk the possibility of it getting worse.  Eventually, things get so bad that the risk-takers outnumber the conservatives and we try something new.  Then we clean up all the warts in the process while the risk-adverse cry "told you it wouldn't work" the whole time.  This is called progress.
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a simple relation-connetion in a database as content of a lawsuit...LOL
There are just a few steps from caution to paranoia, skip.
Amazon will not lift a finger for how invelos build it's own database, apart from copying their data.

Ever hear of the concept of intellectual property, mad. You might be right and so might I. I am conservative, I'll take the clearly safest approach...everytime.

Oh, I see the Profiler Nazis are working overtime.

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a simple relation-connetion in a database as content of a lawsuit...LOL
There are just a few steps from caution to paranoia, skip.
Amazon will not lift a finger for how invelos build it's own database, apart from copying their data.

Ever hear of the concept of intellectual property, mad. You might be right and so might I. I am conservative, I'll take the clearly safest approach...everytime.

Oh, I see the Profiler Nazis are working overtime.

Skip

In this particular case, the concept of relational database IDs is not intellectual property.  It's standard practice in any relational database design.  Quite honestly, it's impossible to have a relational database without such an ID. If anybody holds the rights to such a concept, it's probably Oracle.  I guess they could sue, but then nobody would be able to use their product. 

Now, if you use the identical IDs that another database uses, that might be an issue, but even a monkee can come up with some differing ID pattern just by randomly smacking a keyboard.
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Better safe than sorry, midnit. I would not be willing to risk it. I would find another answer, or a modified version of the technique. And from waht I see that is the approach that Ken appears to be taking, wisely so. There are many different ways to achieve the same exact objective without risk.


You and others are basically saying oh it's perfectly Ok. I am taking a very conservative and safe approach. The other Db's parent will file a suit if you loo at them cross-eyed, there is only one other company that I know of that is as litigious but that companies approach is not predatory, it is to protect their intellectual property ONLY. They don't want to put you out of business or take you over, they simply want you to stop using their intellectual property without their permission.

The conservative approach is far and away the BEST approach.

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Better safe than sorry, midnit. I would not be willing to risk it. I would find another answer, or a modified version of the technique. And from waht I see that is the approach that Ken appears to be taking, wisely so. There are many different ways to achieve the same exact objective without risk.


You and others are basically saying oh it's perfectly Ok. I am taking a very conservative and safe approach. The other Db's parent will file a suit if you loo at them cross-eyed, there is only one other company that I know of that is as litigious but that companies approach is not predatory, it is to protect their intellectual property ONLY. They don't want to put you out of business or take you over, they simply want you to stop using their intellectual property without their permission.

The conservative approach is far and away the BEST approach.

Skip

Relational databases use unique keys. There is no risk.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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Yeah right, James. You can set up your keys any number of different way, Numeric, Alpha, Alpha numeric, etc.etc. etc. All you are doing is convincing me that you have little or no experience in the world of BUSINESS, let alone relational databases. There si not one SINGLE method that will do the job, that is what you don't GET. IF there was only ONE way to do this, James you would be right but you aren't.

Now would you care to explain why I am not allowed to comment without being put down by a bunch of amateurs. You egg me on and egg me on and finally when i have had enough i will bite.

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Yeah right, James. You can set up your keys any number of different way, Numeric, Alpha, Alpha numeric, etc.etc. etc. All you are doing is convincing me that you have little or no experience in the world of BUSINESS, let alone relational databases. There si not one SINGLE method that will do the job, that is what you don't GET. IF there was only ONE way to do this, James you would be right but you aren't.

Now would you care to explain why I am not allowed to comment without being put down by a bunch of amateurs. You egg me on and egg me on and finally when i have had enough i will bite.

Skip

Actually that was my first post on this topic, so perhaps I am the one that finally bit?

I have business experience with databases using unique keys since 1985, but go ahead and continue on. Hopefully I won't interrupt.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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And just how much LEGAL experience do you have, james. I don't want to fight with you or any one else, but I am also entitled to not my own eperience but my own opinion without being insulted, attacked and belittled by you or anyone else. It has gotten old,. And BTW I'll take my knowledge and 20 years experience in database design coupled with my wife's 25 years and business long before i will anyone else's, especially someone that has little or no knowledge of the laws and business procedures in the United States (that is not for you, James). You don't see me espousing knowledge of the legal system in Germany...do you? Or France. Or the UK or anywhere else. I relate the knowledge with which i am familiar, i suggest others do the same.

And I will only get angrier as long as we have jack-booted thugs running around playing 1984 on these Forums.

You want to debate and discuss, fine. But you and some of the others are as much as telling me that I don't know what i am talking about, and the ones who do not know what they are talking about are YOU.(collectively).

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