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| Registered: October 29, 2007 |  Posts: 8 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi all, I believe there are two questions presented on this thread. Is "Disney DVD" a valid Media Company for "Aladdin" in this case and can the Media Company of "Disney DVD" be used to group my Disney's DVDs. Media Companies:  I tend to take things literally. Media Companies relate to the DVD’s production and may be found on the covers or as part of the initial credits of the DVD or as a prequel to the material. The development of a consumer’s DVD includes the mass production of the DVD. Media Companies perform the task of wrapping the original material. This includes the structure of the DVD and features of the DVD. Although in the process they use licensed media software formats in the construction of the DVD, credit must be given for the use of the software: THX, Dolby Digital, National Capturing Institute [Close Capturing], etc. Although there is recognition of the software used during production of the DVD, they tend to give credit to software being used not necessarily the companies holding the copyrights. IMO: : I exclude them as Media Companies. IMO: Media Companies fall into two type of “Credited” categories: The primary Media Company is the company that provided the transition from the original source film and variety of supporting material to a consumer’s DVD. Sometimes there is a secondary Media Company[s] used by the primary to perform this task or just complete this task. IMO: Are the actual packaging credits part of the DVD or are they part of the marketing strategy? There is no credit given within the DVD of the external packaging credits; so I don't include them. "Aladdin:" Walt Disney Home Entertainment uses BVHE to distribute the media. [Although BVHE is credited on the Back Cover and on the DVD's label, within the DVD only Walt Disney Home Entertainment is credited and that makes Walt Disney Home Entertainment the primary]IMO: Is "Disney DVD" a valid Media Company? My answer to the first question is NO for contributions. The prequel credits to the movie "THX," "Disney DVD," and "Disney Enhanced Home Theater Mix" are not Media Companies; they are related to production features of the DVD. IMO: Can the Media Company of "Disney DVD" be used to group my Disney's DVDs. My answer to the second question is NO for contirbutions. But because of the historical volume of DVDs that are Disney, many retail outlets set up a separate sections for these DVDs. My recommendation is to add "Disney" as acceptable Genre. Fred | | | | Last edited: by tiamat7 |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Disney DVD appears on the case and as a logo on screen (at least here in Holland).
Being a company or not, doesn't really matter. It is a recognizable category for a certain group of DVD's.
I see no reason not to use it as a Media Company entry. Especially since the MC field has no clear rules as of yet. | | | My DVD's
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to update, my profile was declined (Yes: 29 No: 14). I am not sure whether or not this is a statement by the screeners, as I have seen this exact same studio change go through, but I won't be contributing them any more. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Disney DVD appears on the case and as a logo on screen (at least here in Holland).
Being a company or not, doesn't really matter. It is a recognizable category for a certain group of DVD's.
I see no reason not to use it as a Media Company entry. Especially since the MC field has no clear rules as of yet. I agree. Furthermore, I believe that NO votes are not supported by the existing rule, such as it is. @tiamat7 You make an interesting, well thought out argument, however I do not believe it to be germane. Based on the discussions that preceded the expansion of the "media" field into 3 slots, it was clear that a number of users wanted to be able to include such things as "Disney DVD" in one of these slots. The name for this field has been changed by Invelos several times in an attempt to satisfy the literalists in the user base. In any event, Disney is NOT a genre and to suggest that we should use a genre for these data is, I belive, not productive. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said at the very beginning of this controversy there is NO rational answer which is why i have largely ignored this thread. They were unable to define Publisher, now we have Media comapny and even that can't be adequately described in any usefule way. The ONLY piece of data that can be defined is the Distributor, this discussion wsa had longa ago and now perhaps you begin to understand why the other data was ignored and we went with strictly the Distributor...but i doubt it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
As I said at the very beginning of this controversy there is NO rational answer which is why i have largely ignored this thread. They were unable to define Publisher, now we have Media comapny and even that can't be adequately described in any usefule way. The ONLY piece of data that can be defined is the Distributor, this discussion wsa had longa ago and now perhaps you begin to understand why the other data was ignored and we went with strictly the Distributor...but i doubt it.
Skip I understand it may be hard to define, and I can understand why the other data was ignored -- we only had 3 slots for "studios" and often there wasn't even room for "distributor." That was then -- this is now. What I have trouble understanding today is why so many people are going out of their way to prevent the use of one of the existing "media" slots for these data. Just because you (or I) haven't come up with an acceptable definition doesn't mean it isn't valid data that can be stored. If people spent more time trying to help define the data instead of finding reason after reason why THEY don't want it, maybe we'd get somewhere. My position (and it's almost as long as yours) is that the DVD Distributor (i.e., BVHE) isn't as meaningful to me as is "Disney DVD." I don't care what you call it, be it publisher, company, brand, whatever, to paraphrase Justice Stewart, this may be hard to define, but "I know it when I see it." And I suspect that most people know what we're talking about, even if they can't adequately define it. If Ken Cole doesn't want us to include names such as "Disney DVD" as a media company it is up to him to say so. It is NOT up to individual users to vote NO and argue that it's a violation of the rule, when it clearly isn't. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand, ken. it just becomes one more piece of data that will not be used or Contributed from here...beyond the Distributor. I know what that is and have for many years, I also know what Production Companies and studios. I can't for the life of me figure out exactly what kind of datait is that they think want and where it can be reliably pulled from, Publisher is not it and media companies while an improvement is too generic and provides no information as to exactly what we are doing. Distribution will be the sole company involved here.33Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Disney DVD appears on the case and as a logo on screen (at least here in Holland).
Being a company or not, doesn't really matter. It is a recognizable category for a certain group of DVD's.
I see no reason not to use it as a Media Company entry. Especially since the MC field has no clear rules as of yet. As I said on Page one of this post, (of which, this was breezed over rather quickly by you all ).., "Disney DVD is the brand name under which Buena Vista Home Entertainment releases its Disney-branded motion pictures. In 1997, Disney began releasing titles on DVD, with VHS releases phased out after Bambi II was released in 2006. The brand launched a loyalty program called Disney Movie Rewards in October 2006. Participants can collect points by mailing in ticket stubs from DVD purchases. The points can be redeemed for prizes like games, books, and collectibles. how could Disney DVD possibly be a media company??... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you, Terry. But it is because they can't define what a media company is, therefore anything goes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
how could Disney DVD possibly be a media company??... The same way WDSHE can be a media company. Also from Wikipedia: "Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment is the flagship label ('cf record label') of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, the home video distribution division of The Walt Disney Company." Doesn't matter to me anymore. Far too many people are being inconsistent...brand bad, label good...so I am not going to bother with this section. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I give up. You guys will not let me contribute what I believe is information other people want. So I will stop contributing any studios or media entities and leave the information in my local database. I am thoroughly tired of you people acting as if the information I want to maintain (1) doesn't exist, (2) doesn't matter, or (3) is foolish to even consider contributing. You keep saying that "Disney DVD" isn't a media company. And that it's a Brand Name. So what? I didn't pick the title "Media Company." It seems that you people who only want to capture Distributors aren't going to accept anything in those three slots but what YOU want to see. Your refusal to allow anything else in the field -- call it anything you want -- is disgusting and arrogant.  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
I give up. You guys will not let me contribute what I believe is information other people want. So I will stop contributing any studios or media entities and leave the information in my local database.
I am thoroughly tired of you people acting as if the information I want to maintain (1) doesn't exist, (2) doesn't matter, or (3) is foolish to even consider contributing.
You keep saying that "Disney DVD" isn't a media company. And that it's a Brand Name. So what? I didn't pick the title "Media Company." It seems that you people who only want to capture Distributors aren't going to accept anything in those three slots but what YOU want to see. Your refusal to allow anything else in the field -- call it anything you want -- is disgusting and arrogant. Agreed. It's best to keep it local until Ken elaborates the rules on this field. I do hope that the definition will include labels and brands aswell as "companies" to be entered. People are now deducting the logic from the FIELDLABEL because that has the word "company" in it. That's just plain silly by my standards. PS: what did the screeners decide on your contribution? Unicus's was declined, I gathered.. | | | My DVD's
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The same way WDSHE can be a media company. Also from Wikipedia:
"Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment is the flagship label ('cf record label') of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, the home video distribution division of The Walt Disney Company."
That Wikipedia article does not apply globally. At least here in Finland we do have a registered company named "Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment AB, filial i Finland" (subsidiary in Finland). Interestingly the previous name of that company was "Buena Vista Home Entertainment AB, filial i Finland". It's not a label, it's a company. Therefore WDSHE is a media company as it is clearly stated eg. in covers of newer releases of Walt Disney Classics. | | | | Last edited: by Jykke |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Just because you (or I) haven't come up with an acceptable definition doesn't mean it isn't valid data that can be stored. Yes, it does. If you can't define it, how do you know where to store it in the database? Maybe it should just be in your Notes field. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting kdh1949:
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Just because you (or I) haven't come up with an acceptable definition doesn't mean it isn't valid data that can be stored.
Yes, it does. If you can't define it, how do you know where to store it in the database? Maybe it should just be in your Notes field.
--------------- Thank you so much. You're so very kind to suggest that.  I'll continue to use the "media" field as I believe it was originally intended and keep it local. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Disney DVD appears on the case and as a logo on screen (at least here in Holland).
Being a company or not, doesn't really matter. It is a recognizable category for a certain group of DVD's.
I see no reason not to use it as a Media Company entry. Especially since the MC field has no clear rules as of yet. "Disney DVD" is just a bit of PR telling you that you are playing.... a Disney DVD. It is NOT a media company. Buena Vista Home Entertainment is the distributor for Disney. | | | John
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