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Please refer me to a single film where the distributor is displayed in the on screen credits as 'Twentieth Century Home Entertainment' written out in full.
Please refer me to a single film where the distributor is displayed on the cover as '20th Century Fox Home Entertainment' written out in full.
Look: we don't take DVD distributors from the disc - it would be a mess. Think of all those switching rights: for instance, I've got plenty Fox-distributed DVD's that used to be MGM property, and so there's no Fox logo to be seen when you play the disc, but it's full of "MGM Home Entertainment" ones. That doesn't make MGM the distributor, though. Yet that seems to be what you are suggesting: letting that on-screen logo prevail the written credit on the cover. Those logos may be nice, but it's simply about what's on the cover. And for Fox DVD's that's "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" every time. Several users have also confirmed that sole reason we were using "20th" in the first place was because the studios field used to be too short too allow the correct, longer variant, so I fail to see why you're so attached to it. This is the ideal time to correct that error - right before we're all going to be re-submitting all these entries. Again: if you agree that the written "Twentieth" credit should prevail over the "20th" logo for the theatrical branch, then why wouldn't you apply the same logic to the distributor? The DVD credits always take precedence over anything on the DVD case. | | | | Hal |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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Distributor is a different animal from production studios So? The principle is the same: in both cases we're shown both a logo that says "20th" and a written out credit that says "Twentieth". Why would anyone pick the written out credit for one branch, but the abbreviated logo credit for the other branch is beyond me. Even though they're "different animals". The choice is exactly the same. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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The DVD credits always take precedence over anything on the DVD case. Have you actually read my post? So if my DVD shows "MGM Home Entertainment" while the DVD was distributed by Fox ("Distributed by Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" on the cover), I submit MGM as the DVD distributor? Shall I start contributing these right now?!  You are of course absolutely right for all other studios - just not for the DVD distributor. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| | Posted: | | | | Please refer me to a film that has MGM Home Entertainment in the actual film credits and 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment on the DVD box. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a better question. Since you seem intent on being AR. Twentieth or 20th(which is what has been done) What value added is brought by changing from 20th to Twentieth? Anything? NONE that I can see. This seems to be merely an exercise in AR and futility.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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Please refer me to a film that has MGM Home Entertainment in the actual film credits and 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment on the DVD box. We're not talking about "film" credits, we're talking about DVD distributor logos/trailers/vignettes shown at the start-up of the DVD. Actual film credits NEVER show the DVD distributor. As for an example: my Dutch copy of 'Die Another Day' springs to mind - is that good enough for you? The disc starts with the animated "MGM Home Entertainment" logo, yet the DVD cover clearly states that it's distributed by "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment". And I got lots of those. So, does the on-screen logo prevail? I don't think so. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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So which prevails? The on-screen credit (my preference) or the teeny, tiny fine print on the back of the case?
Remember that the same can be said for the theatrical branch: do you go with the "20th" logo preceding the movie, or with the "Twentieth" as shown in the actual credits? It's the exact same thing...
Distributor is a different animal from production studios,
Skip Skip, this is DVDProfiler not AnimalProfiler!  pdf | | | Paul Francis
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The DVD credits always take precedence over anything on the DVD case. *cough* DVD title *cough* DVD rating *cough* DVD distributor |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have a better question. Since you seem intent on being AR. Twentieth or 20th(which is what has been done) What value added is brought by changing from 20th to Twentieth? Anything? NONE that I can see. This seems to be merely an exercise in AR and futility.
Skip What value is there in using "as credited" for anything? We need a way to enter the correct data for this field. It looks to me like using the company name as listed in the copyright notice is a good way to do it. The other way would be to use Logos, but that has its own problems. pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have a better question. Since you seem intent on being AR. Twentieth or 20th(which is what has been done) What value added is brought by changing from 20th to Twentieth? Anything? NONE that I can see. This seems to be merely an exercise in AR and futility. Again I'll throw you the EXACT same situation. Over the past year I must have submitted over a hundred updates where I updated a "20th Century Fox" credit to "Twentieth Century Fox" as credited on-screen. Those were accepted every single time, sometimes even despite no-voters with the same reasoning as those who oppose "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" now. What's the difference? Where's the value in that change? Again: if there the written-out credit prevails over the logo, the same goes for the distributing branch as well. It's ridiculous to treat them differently. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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The DVD credits always take precedence over anything on the DVD case.
*cough* DVD title *cough* DVD rating *cough* DVD distributor Well, we used to take the title from the DVD credits, until someone "got a better idea". The rating should come from the DVD itself if it is different than the DVD box. Therefore, the DVD distributor should come form the DVD credits if it appears there. | | | | Hal |
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I have a better question. Since you seem intent on being AR. Twentieth or 20th(which is what has been done) What value added is brought by changing from 20th to Twentieth? Anything? NONE that I can see. This seems to be merely an exercise in AR and futility.
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What value is there in using "as credited" for anything?
We need a way to enter the correct data for this field. It looks to me like using the company name as listed in the copyright notice is a good way to do it. The other way would be to use Logos, but that has its own problems.
pdf We are using AS CREDITED , Paul. You call it tomahto, I call it tomato, 20th; Twentieth. It's a stupid argument. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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I have a better question. Since you seem intent on being AR. Twentieth or 20th(which is what has been done) What value added is brought by changing from 20th to Twentieth? Anything? NONE that I can see. This seems to be merely an exercise in AR and futility.
Again I'll throw you the EXACT same situation. Over the past year I must have submitted over a hundred updates where I updated a "20th Century Fox" credit to "Twentieth Century Fox" as credited on-screen. Those were accepted every single time, sometimes even despite no-voters with the same reasoning as those who oppose "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" now. What's the difference? Where's the value in that change? Again: if there the written-out credit prevails over the logo, the same goes for the distributing branch as well. It's ridiculous to treat them differently. Goody for you, Tim. I keep forgetting that the Rules mean absolutely nothing to you as long as YOU can justify what you are doing and you after all know more than anyone else, except maybe... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Therefore, the DVD distributor should come form the DVD credits if it appears there. I'll repeat my example in case you missed it: my Dutch copy of 'Die Another Day' springs to mind - is that good enough for you? The disc starts with the animated "MGM Home Entertainment" logo (nothing Fox-related to be seen anywhere), yet the DVD cover clearly states that it's distributed by "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment". And I got lots of those. So, does the on-screen logo prevail? I don't think so. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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I have a better question. Since you seem intent on being AR. Twentieth or 20th(which is what has been done) What value added is brought by changing from 20th to Twentieth? Anything? NONE that I can see. This seems to be merely an exercise in AR and futility.
Again I'll throw you the EXACT same situation. Over the past year I must have submitted over a hundred updates where I updated a "20th Century Fox" credit to "Twentieth Century Fox" as credited on-screen. Those were accepted every single time, sometimes even despite no-voters with the same reasoning as those who oppose "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" now. What's the difference? Where's the value in that change? Again: if there the written-out credit prevails over the logo, the same goes for the distributing branch as well. It's ridiculous to treat them differently. How are they presented on-screen? That is what matters. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
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Therefore, the DVD distributor should come form the DVD credits if it appears there.
I'll repeat my example in case you missed it: my Dutch copy of 'Die Another Day' springs to mind - is that good enough for you? The disc starts with the animated "MGM Home Entertainment" logo (nothing Fox-related to be seen anywhere), yet the DVD cover clearly states that it's distributed by "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment". And I got lots of those. So, does the on-screen logo prevail? I don't think so. Well, I have no way of checking that. It would be helpful if it was an example that I actually own. | | | | Hal |
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