Quoting hal9g:

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Most are not going to go to that much trouble.

I understand that (I even posted the exact same thing a few posts before your reply). But as I said: it would, however, be good if the people who do take the trouble to tinker with such a cast entry (rather than just leaving it alone), might look a tiny bit beyond just those numbers, or at least listen to those that have done the work, instead of blindly propagating the incorrect name variant for several years simply because the batch of IMDb-mined data in the database says so. And at the same time, I must confess I find it more than a bit worrying that even today (judging from a batch of new 'Avatar' profiles) people are still routinely dumping bad IMDb-mined data into the db on a pretty wide scale - it's not just one lone profile. And those are the ones throwing the CLT numbers off. Apparently the "most are not going to go to that much trouble"-principle applies to copying cast and crew from the film credits, too.

So on one hand, we've got people dumping IMDb-mined data into the Invelos database, and on the other hand we've got overzealous users trying to remove absolutely valid common names by referring, through taking the CLT numbers on face value, to that same incorrect batch of IMDb-mined credits for a certain name variant. All in all, it's pretty frustrating. 

Quoting T!M:

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Quoting hal9g:

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Most are not going to go to that much trouble.

I understand that (I even posted the exact same thing a few posts before your reply). But as I said: it would, however, be good if the people who do take the trouble to tinker with such a cast entry (rather than just leaving it alone), might look a tiny bit beyond just those numbers, or at least listen to those that have done the work, instead of blindly propagating the incorrect name variant for several years simply because the batch of IMDb-mined data in the database says so. And at the same time, I must confess I find it more than a bit worrying that even today (judging from a batch of new 'Avatar' profiles) people are still routinely dumping bad IMDb-mined data into the db on a pretty wide scale - it's not just one lone profile. And those are the ones throwing the CLT numbers off. Apparently the "most are not going to go to that much trouble"-principle applies to copying cast and crew from the film credits, too.

So on one hand, we've got people dumping IMDb-mined data into the Invelos database, and on the other hand we've got overzealous users trying to remove absolutely valid common names by referring, through taking the CLT numbers on face value, to an incorrect batch of IMDb-mined credits for a certain name variant. All in all, it's pretty frustrating. 

Don't misunderstand me.  I am grateful that you and a few others have taken the trouble to fix some of these "common names".  However, I feel it is a lost cause because there will never be enough of "you" to get it all correct.  It is a complicated and time consuming solution to fairly simple problem.

Personally, when I audit a profile, I check the DVD credits against the actual film credits, one by one.  I enter everything exactly "as credited" and only use the "Credited As" system when there is an "obvious" need for a "common name".  At least this way, the CLT will contain accurate information, even if all profiles do not link properly in my local db.

9 profiles for Avatar currently sporting Zoe Saldana instead of Zoë Saldana. And not all from the smaller localities. One U.S. and one Canadian profile are using that name... How... annoying... 

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Indeed.  And these are not "old" profiles that have been here since day one and were just never updated - no, they're all brand new, submitted over the past two weeks... 

The question is why have we that ? For me the answer is evident and the result of what I have been writing for three years... This system cannot work, so will never work...

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Except that you don't have the answer Yves.

The answer :
- two pages of strict rules, translated in as many languages as the program itself. The rest as guide.
- voting system replace "per the rule" by "interesting change", majority wins.
- online profile, as a starting point for our locals, with only most important data, without any things that are local preferences and need time for contributing , and for other users to remove (cosmetics features, sound and art crew...)

We just need simple and correct online profiles, easy to built and easy to audit. All the rest must remain local.

AS a matter of fact i will go one step further, MOST ALL of the questions brought here on various issues already have answers if one will just look at other profiles.

Take for example the recent thread Marilyn and her husband Bergman, as Tim had noted  in the years since the Rules it has always done as Marilyn Bergman
                                        Arthur (or whatever his name is) Bergman
never as Marilyn and Arthur or any other such tandem credit. Case solved without even asking the question, all that was needed was to LOOK. The Bergmans would be a different story which could also be answered by looking.

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Quoting surfeur51:

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The question is why have we that ?

Laziness combined with sloppy work. 

1. People do not take the time to validate the credits; or
2. They use scraping tools (some written by members of this community) to pull the cast from IMDb; or
3. They copy the cast from another profile (which is wrong) and don't bother to check it.

We have only the contributors to blame! 

         

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BULL, thast's is basically what we used to have.

We never had this system. At the time of guidelines, there were no votes, with ping-ponging. Voting system should penalize contributions that are not useful for the majority.

The screening system and the voting system are completely unreliable when it comes to cast and crew..  Very, very few people are going to check cast and crew against actual credits when voting, and there is no way the screeners could possibly do this.

Not to mention that "new" profiles are not even voted on!