Quoting skipnet50:

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Wrong Unicus. I gave you an answer base on the the screen cap provided. You gave me an answer that I said was reasonable and even expanded on it some, Rifter epanded on it further. I can't provide anymore that what I was shown. I would be willing to guess that your answer was correct and that being able to view the way the credits actually functioned would provide us the answer, and I suggested that James might be helpful in this regard, but he hasn't as yet.

Skip

I don't own the title in question either. I have no further information to provide.

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I am only saying that in the interest of accuracy and usability "Mister Roberts" has to be acknowledged in some form as well as Mister Roberts.

You've said usability again. I just got caught up on 2 pages of this thread and have not seen you address how recording a title with quotes increases usability.

It increases usability because it is factually correct, no matter your individual interpretation they DO appear on the screen, whether you or I like it or not. If it is accuracy and usability we are ultimately after then that becomes just as much a part of the equation as the "legal" name. So the question becomes simplky how do we accomodate BOTH pieces of data, and I will give you Mister Roberts in the key field or The Birds as the case may be. To me argument is narrowly focused on ignoring the AA CREDITED and allowing yourself the ability to determine whether they are valid or not. I am saying they are BOTH valid and we simply need to figure out how to deal with it.

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OK then I guesson that one we are dead in the water for the moment, James. Now I am intrigued and I may actually have to track down a copy.

Skip

For the record, the credits roll from the top down.

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[...] and I'd really like to know the people's reasons for voting no on their removal.

Well you could add it to your collection and look, but if adding by title you won't find it under Mister Rogers. You will have to look for it under "Mister Rogers" (or have the substring filter on). 

My typo from page one looks more like some type of forward-seeing Freudian slip. This whole thread is more like something out of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood than any reality I know of. 

meow-meow-meow-meow

gotta go... I hear the Trolley comin 

That trolley's almost as smart as a llama I know 

Quoting Unicus69:

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Quoting skipnet50:

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OK then I guesson that one we are dead in the water for the moment, James. Now I am intrigued and I may actually have to track down a copy.

Skip

For the record, the credits roll from the top down.

Then they read "Kiss Me Deadly" just as I postulated.  So that argument that they should be the other way around is bogus.

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What appears on the screen, Unicus?  Hmm?  Are there quotes around the title or not?  If there are, and you say they shouldn't be included under the "as credited" rule, then you are denying the reality of what your eyes see.  That is irrational behavior.  I don't give a damn whether they are there are not personally, but if the film makers put them there, it is stupendously ignorant and irrational not to include them as they appear.

Nice try but if you are going to try to be insulting, at least know what you are talking about.  There is no "as credited" rule for the title.  There is for the overview and for cast and crew credits...both say to copy exactly...but there is no such rule for titles.  Your belief that there is doesn't make it true.

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I get that you don't like them, and I get that others don't like them, but none of you have made a convincing argument as to why they should be left out if that is what appears on screen.

It has nothing to do with what I like or don't like.  It has everything to do with what the title is.  They should be left out because they are not part of the title.  I have given several examples where the title is repeated in the overview and set aside from the standard text by the use of italics, bold, ALL CAPS, different colors or any of several combinations.  One would think that, if the quotes were part of the title, they would be included in the overview.  The fact that they are not included tells me that they are not part of the title.

On a more 'legal' note, every film I have ever seen has the title copyrighted.  Again, if the quotes were part of the title, they would be included in the copyright statement.  The fact that they are not included tells me that they are not part of the title.

But hey, let's not let logic and common sense get in the way of a good insult filled tirade. 

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You guys either follow the rules as written (as you so often scream at me) or admit that you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

I follow what the rules actually say, not what I want them to say.  The rules say to take the title from the film's credits.  You and Skip would have me believe that they say to copy everything that is in the title crawl.  Sorry, but that isn't what they say and that isn't what I am going to do.

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What appears on the screen, Unicus?  Hmm?  Are there quotes around the title or not?  If there are, and you say they shouldn't be included under the "as credited" rule, then you are denying the reality of what your eyes see.

Sorry, there is no "as credited" verbiage in the Rule for titles.

I just love the way you guys make this stuff up!