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Are you satisfied? Cast/Crew linking: Your opinion and ideas
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorVirusPil
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I think the "correct" name isn't interesting for linking! This just brings up more work.* We just need a solution to get correct, incorrect and different names linked together.

And btw, for someone who wants to have something different than the most common name shown in his collection, I suggested a local name feature.

*Edit: And with a search there are always mistakes that you can make. One site lists her so and one site lists her different. There will be users that want to see her certificate of birth to have an evidence what is really the correct spelling. 
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I think the "correct" name isn't interesting for linking!

I disagree, for the reasons I explained in my previous post. I'm sure that a system using fictitious names will never work. The idea to use credited name is OK if you reproduce it correctly. The problem is that people transform the capitalized name by a one to one conversion to something that have no meaning.

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And btw, for someone who wants to have something different than the most common name shown in his collection, I suggested a local name feature.


What for ? In my local I have correctly accented names. I need no other field.
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*Edit: And with a search there are always mistakes that you can make. One site lists her so and one site lists her different. There will be users that want to see her certificate of birth to have an evidence what is really the correct spelling. 

Solves the BY problem too. And while we're at it, let's get the Social Security Number as unique identifier. 
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...Was she really the same actress ??? Yes !!! documentation : screencaps  of her beauty spot on the left buttock in both movies...  ...

(I'm sorry; you will have to post screenshots in this thread for me to accept this documentation.  )
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Now for Ace and even surfeur.

I am not interested in surfeur's claims about names, nor anyone else's , I only care about data, ACTUAL data , not data that is in someone's imagination, or data that is somehow culture based, DATA....as it appears ON SCREEN.

The SIMPLE answer for this, Ace, since you think I am wrapped up in the existing system is to simply use a method of Simple Association, a system in which NO name has any priority over any other.

The system we have now Ace works like this
Name A=Name B and Name C and Name D

Simple association sets no priority
Name A=Name B=Name C=Name D

Under this system there is no need to know  any priority name  nor anything else. I search on Name D, I will get EXACTLY the same result that I get searching on Name A. This could be cofigured to generate resuklts specific to the user for example the searched on name could get listed and others following in order of frequency.
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I think the "correct" name isn't interesting for linking!

I disagree, for the reasons I explained in my previous post. I'm sure that a system using fictitious names will never work. The idea to use credited name is OK if you reproduce it correctly. The problem is that people transform the capitalized name by a one to one conversion to something that have no meaning.

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And btw, for someone who wants to have something different than the most common name shown in his collection, I suggested a local name feature.


What for ? In my local I have correctly accented names. I need no other field.

If you think the "Correct" name is soooooooo important. And since this is knowledge that you cannot possess factually. I suggest that you begin designing a system to communicate with actors and crew and request that they submit their "correct" name to you for inclusion in the profiler database. I won't help with postage costs.
   

You have what YOU believe to be properly accented fields. Have you asked any of those people whether you are correct. No, you haven't, I guarantee it.
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Hiow many times does it have to be said, Yves, before you get it. We are not interested in"real" or "correct" names by anybody's definitions. We are interested in Credited Names and Most Commonly Credited Names. The rest is for your local. Good grief, man.

Who is we? Because this is a feature request surfeur51's wishes are all legit.
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Rho:

In case you have a problem with reading comprehension, both Ken a dn Gerri have said this reopeatedly. Once again you jump in with little or no knowledge apparent and do so only to cause a fight. So, before you engage your keyboard, engage your brain FIRST., and drop your combative nature. This is nothing new, it's been this way for years and both Ken AND Gerri have said so.
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I think the "correct" name isn't interesting for linking!

I disagree, for the reasons I explained in my previous post. I'm sure that a system using fictitious names will never work. The idea to use credited name is OK if you reproduce it correctly. The problem is that people transform the capitalized name by a one to one conversion to something that have no meaning.
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But don't you agree that just making MARIE-JOSEE CROZE to Marie-Josee Croze is easier for all than searching for the correct name?? 
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(...) IF for example the program could cope with Kanji, I would have no problem transcribing Japanese, anymore than i do French or German, it is about what the data On Screen SAYS, not what my culture says.

I can assure you that you (and me as well) would have problems finding the key combination on your keyboard for any of the Kanji characters seen on screen. The same way we would not find the symbol easily in any char map which would show the total of 50000 symbols.
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I think the "correct" name isn't interesting for linking!

I disagree, for the reasons I explained in my previous post. I'm sure that a system using fictitious names will never work. The idea to use credited name is OK if you reproduce it correctly. The problem is that people transform the capitalized name by a one to one conversion to something that have no meaning.
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But don't you agree that just making MARIE-JOSEE CROZE to Marie-Josee Croze is easier for all than searching for the correct name?? 

Of course he doesn't, Virus. In all the time I have know surfeur he really believes he knows ALL about names, particlarly if thery are french and even if he does not KNOW these people.
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There's also one thing to remember: there are not just names that distinguish in accent or not.

Think of The Rock for example. What is is his right name? For some users it might be The Rock, for some Dwayne Johnson, or ...
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(...) IF for example the program could cope with Kanji, I would have no problem transcribing Japanese, anymore than i do French or German, it is about what the data On Screen SAYS, not what my culture says.

I can assure you that you (and me as well) would have problems finding they key combination on your keyboard for any of the Kanji characters seen on screen. The same way we would not find the symbol easily in any char map which would show the total of 50000 symbols.

LOL, I understand that, Rho. I was making a point.
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I think the "correct" name isn't interesting for linking!

I disagree, for the reasons I explained in my previous post. I'm sure that a system using fictitious names will never work. The idea to use credited name is OK if you reproduce it correctly.


I understand your reasoning, but I agree in a way with VirusPil - using a credited name, using a correct name, it doesn't matter when it comes to linking. The problem with names is that people change them, and we don't want to be using a linking system that uses a key that changes. Look at the problems the "common name" system is giving us.

I think Hal's idea has the most merit. Introduce a unique ID system (can be hidden) and link all names to that. That way, it doesn't matter how the name changes or whether accents are used or not, as long as the same ID number is used all variants will link.
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But don't you agree that just making MARIE-JOSEE CROZE to Marie-Josee Croze is easier for all than searching for the correct name?? 

When you do that, you do nothing else, so no CLT, no common name, no linking. Ken's clarification, with the attitude it allows to lazy contributors is the main cause of non linking. If you search for CLT, then you have correct accents.
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There's also one thing to remember: there are not just names that distinguish in accent or not.

Think of The Rock for example. What is is his right name? For some users it might be The Rock, for some Dwayne Johnson, or ...

Already answered that in my first post, page 1.
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