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Is he credited as Andreas in some films (or only as ANDREAS and Andréas)? If Andreas is common for him, I have no problems to convert ANDREAS to Andreas. But if Andréas is common for him (only one credit in this case) I would convert ANDREAS to Andréas in that case if Ken's ruling would have been different.

In this specific case honestly I don't remember (but it's very possible), anyway I don't know (and don't need to know) if is correct convert ANDREAS to Andréas, because we have rules that say how to covert that name.

Actually the rules don't say it, but Ken's ruling in the forum does. So, you are right. I just wanted to answer your question how I would decide if Ken had ruled differently.

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While I do accept Ken's ruling, you have to accept that it's different than Charlie vs. Charles because it's not Andre vs. André but ANDRE vs. André. IMO opinion Ken's ruling should have been different because you can easily spot if credits which are all caps have dropped all accents or not. I have no problem to accept Andre in a credit list where I can see that the editor has used accents in other names. But it hurts my aesthetic and language feelings if I can't convert ANDRE to André for credits which are all caps where I can see that ALL accents have been dropped and I know that this André writes his name in mixed case with an accent. But Ken has ruled and chosen the easy (but IMO inferior) route.

I don't disagree with you...other than it doesn't hurt my aesthetic and language feelings.  When I see FRANCOIS, I enter it as Francois.  Always have.  Whether it is written 'FRANCOIS', 'Francois' or 'François', I see it as the exact same name and pronounce it the exact same way.  Because of that, I don't understand why this is such a big deal.

That being said, I do know that it is a big deal for some users.  Because of that, I was willing to let those users 'correct' these names based on their language standards.  Ken, however, chose a different path.  Since he did, we need to accept it, move on, and stop hijacking threads as it accomplishes nothing.

The only was to solve this is with a program update. It needs to be diacritic agnostic in the same way that is capitilzation agnostic.

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That I have to disagree with, Ace, if the diacritic is present then it is part of the DATA and should be recorded. I don't agree with anything that goes against the hard data in this sort of regard. This would be establishing an American cultural standard for listings, which and i have always said that we are culturally agnostic and simply follow the data. If users would stop squabbling over their own cultural imoperative or pretending that they know something which they very clearly do NOT, they can reach assumptions which may or may NOT be true, then all of this nonsense would stop. Surfeurs apparent belief that ANDRE= André proves that his assumption is dead wrong as there are many people which ARE simply Andre with absolutely no diacritical at all.

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Not French people, for the most part. Spanish or Italian, either, for that matter. The bottom line is that André is typically written as ANDRE when converted to caps, as most movie credits are. Therefore, ANDRE=André for the same reason ANDRE=Andre. If the program didn't consider André and Andre to be separate names, there wouldn't be a problem.

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That I have to disagree with, Ace, if the diacritic is present then it is part of the DATA and should be recorded. I don't agree with anything that goes against the hard data in this sort of regard. This would be establishing an American cultural standard for listings, which and i have always said that we are culturally agnostic and simply follow the data. If users would stop squabbling over their own cultural imoperative or pretending that they know something which they very clearly do NOT, they can reach assumptions which may or may NOT be true, then all of this nonsense would stop. Surfeurs apparent belief that ANDRE= André proves that his assumption is dead wrong as there are many people which ARE simply Andre with absolutely no diacritical at all.

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Not French people, for the most part. Spanish or Italian, either, for that matter. The bottom line is that André is typically written as ANDRE when converted to caps, as most movie credits are. Therefore, ANDRE=André for the same reason ANDRE=Andre. If the program didn't consider André and Andre to be separate names, there wouldn't be a problem.

Typically, yesd. That is true but ANDRÉ is not unheard o, Ace. Also É and other such diacrticals are also a part of the  Microsoft Character Map, so you cannot logically make any assumption that ANDRE=André or any other upp[er to lower case conversion. you can make an assumption, and you can CLAIM all you want that typically this, that or something else, or in French it's this otr that. But that is an assumption and if the credit is ANDRE simply flies in the face the DATA. Like I have said instead of carping, allpeople have to do is follow the Rules, instead of all the arious spins and arguments. Just as tim mentioned a discussion with another user who was using the tired old comment on him of "the Rules don't say that this or that can't be listed." That is just a lame argument and the shelter of cowards, scoundrels and fools. (No offense to Tim) By that standard we could list Gaffers becauuse the Rules don't say that we can or can't...so they are OK.

Just follow the Rules and stop spinning and trying to poke holes that don't exist. You will be serve yourself and everyone much better.

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That is all well and good, but counter productive and not in line AT ALL with the Rules. Users already, without any kind of algorithm, Have the ability to list the data ANY way they wish. I would NOT support any such system which change ANDRÉ to Andre or even André to Andre just to appease a cultural imperative. If the diacritical is part iof the credit it should NOT be removed, if it isn't it should not be added. All of this gamesmanship to create these kinds of things only ultimately weakens the database.

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The fact that it is possible to write ANDRÉ has no bearing on the fact that André is typically put in all caps as ANDRE. "Willn't" is in the dictionary, but that doesn't mean "won't" isn't a valid contraction for "will not."