Quoting Unicus69:

Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:

Quote:
The British Film Institute database lists him as D/O/S with an alternate of D//OS.

With all due respect to the BFI, he isn't a British actor.  I will take the AMPAS's listing, over theirs, in this case.

They both put him under Stiers. 

Quoting T!M:

Quote:
Once more: I haven't got an "argument". I've got my cultural background and you've got yours, but when I come here, I try to check all that at the door. I've was merely using my cultural background in an attempt to offer an explanation for why there are so many D//O S entries in the database - and why they will continue to be there if nothing changes. That's all. I'm not arguing that to be the "better" method.

I think this statement:

"Rather than trying to convince me to see him as "Mr. Stiers" (which isn't ever going to happen), you should focus on how to best enforce the 1/2/3 parsing with people for who "middle name" and "last name" mean something else as they do to you."

is what is causing confusion...at least it is for me.  Take 'Chow Yun-Fat' as an example.  If I am shown that he should be addressed as 'Mr. Chow', rather than 'Mr. Yun-Fat', I accept that.  Another example, 'Helena Bonham Carter'.  Evidence has shown that she is 'Miss Bonham Carter', not 'Miss Carter'.  I don't need to be convinced of that fact, I accept it because it is fact.

While I can understand having a preconceived notion, based on your cultural background, I don't understand "I will never see him as Mr. Stiers" as that is his name.  Again, this is not a personal attack, just something I don't quite understand. 

Quoting m.cellophane:

Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:

Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:

Quote:
The British Film Institute database lists him as D/O/S with an alternate of D//OS.

With all due respect to the BFI, he isn't a British actor.  I will take the AMPAS's listing, over theirs, in this case.

They both put him under Stiers. 

True, but they listed him with an alternate name of 'Ogden Stiers, David'...while the AMPAS does NOT.  That tells me that the BFI,mistakenly, believes either variation is correct.  That being the case, I will trust the site that has a single listing and is in a better position to know which is correct.

Quoting Unicus69:

Quote:
Again, this is not a personal attack, just something I don't quite understand. 

You say potatoe, I say potato...    I could try to explain it further, but there really is no point. I'm afraid you'll never be able to understand my point of view, just as I'll never be able to understand yours - remember that yours is just as baffling to me as mine is to you. Judging from how easy you dismiss the clearly very mixed feelings about this issue by merely declaring "that is his name", or to refer to the opposite as "mistakenly", you seem to forget that sometimes. You decided, so everyone else is automatically wrong. Yes, there are a bit more Americans on this forum than non-Americans, so the poll balance may have fallen out in your favour. The community as a whole is thoroughly divided on the matter, though, as the actor's different entries in the database clearly prove. Anyway: we can argue about it until we're blue in the face, but it won't help you, me, or the problem at hand.

We'll just have to live with "never the twain shall meet", yet still devise a way to successfully share the master database.

As of yet, we've never been able to reach a solution to do that, so, as of yet, there is no "correct", "better" or even "preferred" way of parsing as far as the online database is concerned. Both methods are being contributed and approved on a daily basis, and there's no sign of improvement whatsoever. 

Tim, you asked for 1//23 names: Toby Ross Bryant and Peter Youngblood Hills both are double-barrel last names. They were easy for me to figure out, because of their position in the alphabetical cast listing on Band of Brothers. Without that fact, I would have have parsed Toby/Ross/Bryant because, just like to to you Ogden doesn't look like a second given name, to me Ross does. Even though I know there are people whose last name is Ross, to me it looks more like a first name.

I know people with 2 first names: John David and Roger Henry are 2 that come to mind. By that, I mean both their first and last names "sound" like given names. I also know of 2 people I've worked with that have their maternal family name for a middle name.

I fully support a rule that 3 part names should be parsed 1/2/3 unless documented to be different, but so far Ken has not made that part of the rules. Besides these baffling 2 part last names, there are also 2 part first names here in the states and elsewhere which are just as confusing to anyone not familiar with the individual.

Quoting antolod:

Quote:

I fully support a rule that 3 part names should be parsed 1/2/3 unless documented to be different, but so far Ken has not made that part of the rules.

I'm against that kind of rule & think that each case should be considered separately. Although it may be a common occurrence in the US, it's less common in others.

Quote:
Besides these baffling 2 part last names, there are also 2 part first names here in the states and elsewhere which are just as confusing to anyone not familiar with the individual.

Do you mean we should consider that he could be D O//S?   

They were approved in the contribution I made back in April '07, and no NO votes. I don't recall if I did any further research on these names, but I may have. I seem to remember doing the episodes and about half way through I realized that these 2 names were parsed incorrectly based on the alpha cast list.

Quoting CharlieM:

Quote:

Until evidence is proven, what should be the default standard....

Because of cultural differences, I don't think there should be. Unless of course we have one for every country