Just to make it clear, Enry, did I say anything about them being a Rule...NO!!!! That was for a reason. However, to be consistent with data, IF we can use dividers for Restoration or Special Edition, then we could do so for other Units as well. The answer was a loud and clear NO, which I will further qualify with...at this time.              

This is a joke right.

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I understand where you are going, hal. I have no opinion, because we have to remember that Gerri does not have all the information. As I noted I had forgotten that poll, so I can't expect Gerri to remmember or perhaps even be aware of it. However, this does make a case for complete notes allowing gerri to access any relevant information to try and resolve these questions.

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I, for one,submitted Restoration Crew, with some very explicit Contribution notes, for My Fair Lady. The contribution was just that, "Added Restoration credits from end credits, separated with a divider ("The Restoration") as on screen", and a link to the Forum.
It got all (20) YES votes, including skipnet50 and hal9g, and it was approved.

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So anytime something gets submitted with notes explaining the change and Gerri accepts it, that type of change can then can be considered to be part of the Rules going forward?

That's good to know.

Nice tactic...when your argument falls flat, switch to sarcasm. 

That is not what I said.  You are claiming that this is not allowed.  The rules do not back you up.  Spin it any way you want, but you just can't get past that little fact.  The rules do not exclude these credits, which is what I said.  Gerri has been accepting these credits.  Based on those two things, I have to conclude that they are allowed...unless Ken or Gerri steps in and says otherwise.

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The rules do not exclude these credits, which is what I said.

You keep repeating this but you refuse to state that other credits which are also "not excluded" by the Rules are allowable, like Assistant Producer or Associate Art Director.  If you truly wish to argue that anything that is not excluded is therefore allowable, then you must allow any credit that anyone feels is equivalent or close to any of the existing allowable credits.

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Gerri has been accepting these credits.  Based on those two things, I have to conclude that they are allowed...unless Ken or Gerri steps in and says otherwise.

I've already addressed this.  Gerri let's a lot of blatantly wrong stuff into the database.  Just because you combine one piece of questionable supporting evidence with another piece of questionable supporting evidence does not give either any more credence, nor does it make your overall argument any stronger.

Nice try though.

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I have to tell you if I see it i will vote absolutely NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't do unti/location crews.

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Who is this we? Got a mouse in your pocket? 

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Please pay attention.  I will try and make this as simple as possible.  The credit in DVDP is 'ART DIRECTOR'.  As long as a person is credited with that role, they can be entered in DVDP.  There is no 'Assistant Producer' role in DVDP.  That means it can NOT be entered.  Do you understand now or are you going to continue being purposely obtuse?

Your condescension is not appreciated! 

You stated flatly that if a credit is "not excluded" in the Rules, that it is allowable.  Shall I go back and point to the exact post.

That may not have been what you meant, but it is what you said.

Furthermore, the "divider" for that section of the crew, IMHO, is part of their rolename in the very same way that information in a divider in the cast is also part of the rolename; e.g.:

Cast list:

John Doe
Jane Doe

Dancers
Larry Jones
Sam Jones
Mary Jones

The divider is entered as the rolename for Larry, Sam and Mary in DVDP.  It is part of the description of that person.

When Art Directors fall under a "divider" such as a "Unit" designator, then that is also part of their role description.

There is no allowance for "New York Unit Art Director" in the Rules.

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At least my argument has supporting evidence.  Your argument is based on some 'user convention' that you claim everybody is using.  Please be so kind as to provide some evidence, any evidence, to support your claim. 

My evidence is simply the use of the program for eight plus years during which time in the thousands of profiles that I have personally edited or voted on, unit crew have always been excluded or voted down.  You may not feel that my experience during that period of time is worth two cents, but to me it is a very good indicator of what has been going on for a very long time.

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I agree, but for a similar reason I think we should go on entering Restoration Crew as it has been done for a while now. Changing and changing again is the worst policy, in my view.

Sorry, but entering of Restoration crew has been a relatively recent development.  At most, it has been done for the past year since dividers were introduced to the program.

Use of dividers for this purpose is not supported by anything in the Rules.

It is strictly a personal preference for using dividers.

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Your condescension is not appreciated! 

And I knew it wouldn't be.  As I said, I knew I was going to come off looking like an @$$. 

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You stated flatly that if a credit is "not excluded" in the Rules, that it is allowable.  Shall I go back and point to the exact post.

That may not have been what you meant, but it is what you said.

I meant exactly what I said.  The problem is, you are taking that statement out of context.  You asked why this keeps coming up.  To that question, I answered, "Because the rules don't say they have to be excluded."

You took that answer out of context and, for some reason I can't figure out, are continuing to do so.  That statement was an answer to a specific question and had nothing to do with what is and isn't allowed by the rules.  Despite that fact, I have clarified that statement, at least, 4 times.

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Furthermore, the "divider" for that section of the crew, IMHO, is part of their rolename in the very same way that information in a divider in the cast is also part of the rolename; e.g.:

Cast list:

John Doe
Jane Doe

Dancers
Larry Jones
Sam Jones
Mary Jones

The divider is entered as the rolename for Larry, Sam and Mary in DVDP.  It is part of the description of that person.

When Art Directors fall under a "divider" such as a "Unit" designator, then that is also part of their role description.

There is no allowance for "New York Unit Art Director" in the Rules.

How about in a case like:

New York Cops
Sam Jones    Det. Smith
Mary Jones    Officer Sanders

Are you saying that the role, in these cases, becomes part of the role name?  Does it get entered as, 'Sam Jones as New York Cops Det. Smith'?  I don't think it does.  The only time the divider becomes the role is when the person does not have an individual role.  In the case of the art director, he has an individual role.

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My evidence is simply the use of the program for eight plus years during which time in the thousands of profiles that I have personally edited or voted on, unit crew have always been excluded or voted down.  You may not feel that my experience during that period of time is worth two cents, but to me it is a very good indicator of what has been going on for a very long time.

My registration date at Intervocative was 'May of 2001'.  I was using the program for a while before that, so I have been around almost as long as you have...not that it has anything to do with anything.